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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (56894)	5/1/1999 12:28:00 AM
From: Rob Young	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1589255

Tench, <Rob, in short, you're saying that the EV68 will allow Compaq to achieve a sort of Xeon-to-Celeron pricing scheme for the Alpha 21264. I can understand that.> No. Two different processors there. The EV68 will come out in varying speed grades. I am posting something I wrote up for another forum below to show this. The EV68 at different speeds is analgous to the PIII at different speeds. I read of a 450, 500 and most recently 550 MHz PIII. All the same processor, different speeds AND different prices. < Merced is likely going to be faster than EV68 clock-for-clock, so comparing Merced to the el-cheapo EV68 isn't a valid comparison.> But I think it is. Merced supposedly will come in at 50 SpecInt95, I don't think it will happen. I am guessing 40-45 MAYBE. There has been so little talk of Merced's integer performance I am led to believe it is sucking. Why else IDF, MPR etc. talking up fp? Because the fp side of things is looking good. We still don't know how many integer units Merced has and it is taping out in a month. Here is my post and you can see clearly that even the lowest EV68 will be right up there with Merced. Enjoy! > And Ultra Sparc and PowerPC are just going to wither and die in the face > of the unstoppable onslaught of Alpha and its massive attack. Damn, glad > I'm vested... Maybe I can get a job migrating OS400 to Alpha. > > This is the biggest pile of nonsense I have heard recently. > Paul is right on the money of course. I have had about a 2 week discussion in another forum discussion Alpha versus Merced positioning (still going, but drawing near a close). I don't know how many have studied this slide (marketing? I think not.. a legit comparison). digital.com What it reveals is that Compaq intends to price EV68 about the price of an existing EV56 at 533 MHz. I suspect that it will fall somewhere in a $400 to $600 price range. Compaq has publically stated that EV68 is "about 1/5 the cost of Merced." Shannon in a recent SKC that has had major pieces included in The Register posits: theregister.co.uk "EV67 due RSN [3/30/99 date of article, see URL]" "By year end, EV68 will arrive at speeds of 833 MHz and possibly 1 GHz by year end." "[the EV67 will attain] an estimated 36 SpecInt95 at 667 MHz" Doing a little math, allowing for linear scaling and projecting a 5% increase due to compiler improvements by 1Q 2000 (not unreasonable) We see: CPU-----Speed---SpecInt--5% improvement !HTML stinks EV67----667-----36 EV67----767-----41.4 EV68----833-----45------47.3 EV68----1000----54------56.7 EV68----1100----59.4----62.3 ! Copper Process Moore's Law? Gonna get a blister this year. The price points that EV67 and EV68 will come in at will give the much delayed UIII fits. Especially, with the EV57 based < $1000 Linux box to jump start the Alpha Linux community. UltraSparc whither and die? Certainly not. However, the less than $5000 price point by year-end will be a shutout. Intel or Alpha . . . all others will be dreamers. At that, $5000 by year-end at the very least should buy you more than 45 SpecInt95. We are going to see an acceleration in the workstation space that is unprecedented. Rob