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To: E. Davies who wrote (8935)5/3/1999 12:18:00 AM
From: ahhaha  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 29970
 
You say in one breath that ATHM lost its technical advantage by the distraction of TCI working on digital TV

No, not by, when. Hindery stated eight months ago that TCI blundered when they emphasized debt paydown and digital tv channel expansion over Internet upgrade. He reiterated that about 3 months ago. What has happened is that the time wasted has been used by the prospective competitors and by infrastructure companies actively developing alternatives to last year's cutting edge. You can certainly squander the technological lead, but that is different than casting your pearls before swine in your haste to compensate for previous errors in judgement. While TCI fiddled, ATHM burned. They burned the tech lead, that is. Now others can build similar facilities and the redundant architecture though still good has cracks exposed by the growth of load. The cutting edge improvements and new facilities always have advantages. Since ATHM pioneered the concept they still are rolling around in a covered wagon.

and that @home should move gradually and not focus on total domination.

An attempt at total domination mostly fails and often loses everything.

All TCI did was slow rollout into TCI territory.

Really? Wasn't the SF Bay Area upgraded last fall? Oh, I agree. They slowed it down so they wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot. Why is it then that management and analysts are putting so much emphasis on rapid growth in subscriber numbers?

I dont see how this translates as a loss of technical advantage,

Because it is cheaper and easier for competitors to build what ATHM has. The cost of entry is lower. We like competition but we don't want to go out of our way to help competitors. We believe they are completely capable to help themselves. This is called respect.

You say that @home needs to focus on the cash generation from subscription revenues and that other sources of revenue are suspect.

No. you said that. I said that ATHM can't neglect the importance of subscriptions because the surety of return which is actuarial is enhanced by stable cash flow. The MSOs depend on those flows and their stability to do debt service and to secure possible new extensions. The guarantee of regular payment may be the most powerful assurance in finance.

Yet you also said once that by simple calculations ATHM valued without its future prospects is a $60 stock.

I said that the best estimate I could make was that in 2 years ATHM could have 2M subscriptions and earn $2.00. I assigned at 50 PE and so that meant the stock was fairly valued at $100. I further added that in a bad market it wouldn't be surprising to see it drop to $60 because rational expectations which are extreme often go to downside extremes too, since there isn't fiducial justification for 1000 PEs. The thread in an attempt to belittle me jumped on the the $60 price.

If for some reason the FED had to raise rates rapidly, the stock market would crash, open down 3000 points, and by the time you got off an order, ATHM would be worth 10. Further, it would have a hard time holding that level. Fortunately, that can't happen because we know what the FED can't do, don't we?

A few months back I wondered what would happen if the @home coalition did not hold together. You told me I did not understand, why would it come apart?

It hasn't come apart yet although the tunnel is open. So why would it? Why should Comcast jump? They must think they can do better on their own. That's all the substance you need. I've known about the dissension among the cable partners and have mentioned it plenty here, but then there was no apparent reason for Comcast to make this bold move. What changed the lay of the land was the FCC frozen decision. You'll find that I made that comment to you before the FCC decision. I suggested back then to several thread participants in PMs that they should buy UMG based in part on the point that Comcast had insufficient reason to jump, but with that FCC decision, the hegemony potential of T was too great of an incentive.

Now you say it is inherent in the nature of the universe itself for coalitions to blow apart.

I wouldn't say that in those words, but now that you said it, I quite agree. I agree with Yeats.

What does being under the control of Time-Warner have as an advantage to being under the control of AT&T?

I was right; you don't understand. How could you not? You read the ownership list. How is Comcast under TWX control? Glued by the exchange of color electric charge to the T quark dominated multiplet Comcast is mediated by strong arms. Free, they are like Liebnitz' monads. You are saying something like ATHM is under the control of Castel. Oh come now.

What in your vision is the value added of @home? In what way are they special that matters?

Before you came on this thread I spent 1,000,000 words explaining that over many sneering objections. Practically none of them are still around.



To: E. Davies who wrote (8935)5/3/1999 8:33:00 AM
From: Frank A. Coluccio  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 29970
 
Eric, pardon the interruption, but regarding your question:

"What in your vision is the value added of @home? "

Not to get visions confused, but from my perspective this can best be answered at the current time simply as:

It's got only to do with the end user's nervous impatience and insatiable appetite for speed and convenience, and nothing more. These remain the key reasons for the current uptake and the long backlogs of installations.

Keep in mind my qualifier: at the current time, although I have reason to suspect that that may be all, for a while.

We're dealing with Internet Time here which means torridly rapid development and delivery cycles by others, so anything that ATHM portends for the future can be blown away with a new implementation of some widgetry or alliance, almost as quickly as you've had an opportunity to reply to this. Only an ostrich can deny this and get away with it.

As far as future payoffs are concerned, bounties based on the fortunes of faith remain the value addeds you're looking for, I think.

Both ATHM and RR have just as good a chance, currently, and for the next year or two, at being proved the solution of the moment, more so than others... due to the head starts they enjoy. Maybe they'll still consolidate, but to do so would be to throw a log jam in their evolutionary paths that would have to be cleared, since integrations of this sort take time and lots of resources. Not to mention the disruptions that users would experience, especially those being converted, and the ensuing defections caused by yet another cause of annoyance while newer alternatives take shape.

I'm always aware of the kid who is coming up from behind with a faster, more economical idea, especially if they are promoting photonic delivery. Times to market for such ideas used to be measured in decades. Today, I think we're talking about a couple of years to beta, and then rapid modifications in software or swapouts in micromodular chip sets, from that point out.

The problem with investing in any tech company's futures is that technological innovations converge and overtake what were thought to be future deliverables in a way that tends to render those expectations moot, even obsolete, very quickly. It's a fact of Internet life that some will learn the hard way, one which has already chalked up a long list of homicides. Innovatum homicidium.

Some problems, a major set of problems, faced by the cable modem regime have to do with extremely long architectural and design cycles, and keeping the model fresh. Can't do it. In the current cableco HFC environment, there is no such thing, because rollouts tend to be multiple years in the standards approval phase, and delivery phases are almost as long, if not longer, without the possibility of substantial changes to underlying fabric. I think that it's fair to say that T is acquiring, inheriting, something that they would never have designed themselves. They cannot even quite figure out how best to converge it to the next gen anything right now. Witness their reneging on the VoIP initiative the other day, after all of the fanfare they published of same. T sees HFC for its high real estate value in geographic areas that they would otherwise be precluded from entering at this time. They do not view HFC for its technological merit.

DOCSIS may be a solution to the upgradeability issue, but only within the restrictions of the larger model of current HFC. And look how long it's taking for the DOCSIS standards to be approved, implemented and certified at the individual vendor level. When a vendor meets certification criteria, it's cause for celebration and a flurry of new releases. Now we're reading that it will be April of 2000 before broad-based implementations take place.

In order to put in significant changes to the larger HFC model (the one that currently assigns only a pittance of bandwidth to the cable modem space) one would have to go back to square one, and start the process virtually all over again. We're dealing with a basic design anomaly in cable that just happens to still yield a better solution, at this time, than other currently available options. But this kind of hegemony is only temporary, and doesn't have a long life cycle associated with it without significant changes to the manner in which it assigns bandwidth.

There are thousands of tons of coaxial connectors, field amplifiers and converters, and black cable still out there, on the tail ends of what are, in my opinion, archaically designed fiber backbones, which will prove these assertions correct, before long.

This is an area that will be ripe for assault in another year or two, IMO, possibly by the power companies in alliance with some smart guys, if they ever wake up, or by some combination of wireless-vdsl using fiber backbones to neighborhoods.

One may deduce from this that realized future payoffs from current designs will not materialize as we expect that they will, not with the same advantages that we have assigned to them in the past and at this time.

There will be formidable competition, in other words, from other sectors that will reduce the relative advantage that these cable ISPs now enjoy. I don't mean to denigrate or belittle the excellent work that has been done by the engineers who have successfully made something out of nothing, as the CableLabs folks have succeeded in doing with black cable in electronically noisy environments. But while the work that has gone into HFC is commendable, it just isn't extensible or flexible enough to accommodate the future... even for a single SP, much less multiple SPs.

@ShieldsUp, Frank Coluccio