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Strategies & Market Trends : Anthony @ Equity Investigations, Dear Anthony, -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Pluvia who wrote (34607)	5/4/1999 7:27:00 PM
From: Wolff	Respond to of 122087

Pluvia, I have been following A@P picks closely over the last 5 months. I am able to confirm that the numbers that he posts are within +/- 1/4 of what they are when I check. With absolute certainty the prices are in a very narrow band of what the pick says at the time. But there is an important point to remember...A@P has always said he posts before he trades. So on a rapidly moving price you are not going to get a perfectly exact number. Another point which I don't know the answer, is what price is taken, last, bid or ask??? So I am able to confirm that the prices on A@P'se picks do in fact match favorably to what the market is at. While your opinion may make you FEEL they are false, I can say that I my observations have SHOWN them to be factual and accurate. I am able to confirm this, over numerious example of "picks". regards wolff

To: Pluvia who wrote (34607)	5/4/1999 7:42:00 PM
From: Syed	Respond to of 122087

Pluvia - I agree with Wolfe. With all due respect, I have audited Anthony's trades From January thru March and found that all trades posted match very close to the trades at that moment. This work took me 6 hours. Anyone else is free to do the audit. As Wolfe has mentioned, since Anthony is posting before he trades the price can change in either direction.

To: Pluvia who wrote (34607)	5/4/1999 7:50:00 PM
From: Mongo2116	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 122087

I find the theme of today's thread to be more distressing than being upside down on my short positions, and I find that to be quite horrible. :) I have too much respect for the various posters (such as Pluvia) to take sides. This thread has drawn some very accomplished, independent achievers who naturally have egos, and rightfully so. I guess it was just a matter of time before those egos clashed. So, lets all have a big rumble and get this over with. MY REGARDS TO THE ENTIRE THREAD!

To: Pluvia who wrote (34607)	5/4/1999 7:53:00 PM
From: ACS_101	Respond to of 122087

Pluvia, Thank you for your post. You've raised 2 issues: 1) whether Anthony's entry and exit points are "real". 2) who gets the "credit" for trade picks. I'd like to address both. 1) I have been following Anthony's trades carefully, as close to real-time whenever possible, and I'm surprised by your complaint. I have not ever observed what I consider to be material discrepancies between Anthony's entry/exit points and quotes/charts. I've gotta allow 1/4 pt here and there for the sheer timing of market flux while typing, sending, and refreshing. SI isn't always instant, nor are streaming quotes. And he can get shorts off that I can't get cert availability. He's got the bucks to justify more accounts, and other resources, than the average "civilian". Not his fault. On a few occasions, his post states -- "oh, forget it, its melting as I type". If he'd been trading rather than messaging us, he would have bagged another profit. Things happen. On numerous occasions, when questioned, I've seen him post trade logs to document prices paid. On other occasions, as a novice, I got better execution points than he did, five minutes later. I doubt the eighth's and quarter's add up to the difference between a 50% and a 90% success rate. Each person can make up his own mind on this, but there are a lot of eyeballs on his picks, and very, very few complaints over this point. It would be too obvious if it were a pattern. I just think you're wrong. 2) As for suggestions and "credits", Anthony has acknowledged NUMEROUS times that many good short candidates come in from the thread. (Fact is, I recall him saluting you personally.) He has appeared to avoid explicitly telegraphing future moves such as "yeah, XYZ is a great one, I'm gonna bomb that tomorrow first thing, nice pick Harry ...." He doesn't want to suggest he's colluding with anyone. I thought that was pretty well understood. I've never seen him "pretend a pick was his". It's irrelevant because, as you of course know, its not the ticker, its the timing. Nearly every stock can be a plus or minus trade, short or long, every single day. Its knowing when to pull the trigger, particularly for those of us who aren't pros. I've also lost money trading the same stocks Anthony's traded for a profit. His public posts reflect his concerns to try to find spots where thread readers can get in and out too -- he obviously makes other trades privately when he doesn't impose this constraint on himself. His record takes credit for the trade, and I think that's fair. You're free to do the same. Just do it consistently for a while; post it and lets all look at how it stacks up. I'm joining the private site hoping to learn, and hoping to make $$$$. I think his insight is unusual. But like I said before, we all vote with our $$$$. If it doesn't provide both, it won't keep me for long, nor, I'm sure, anyone else. Alan

To: Pluvia who wrote (34607)	5/4/1999 8:05:00 PM
From: Anthony@Pacific	Respond to of 122087

Good luck steve..you've turned out to be a quality guy ..and to think I stuck with you when the LA-Times article hit, I have never said an ill word toward you nor have I ever criticized you publicly but you have now done all the above. Since I post befoire I trade I dont always get the anticipated pric and everybody knows that..Noone pumps my record and I dont calculate my returns, they are all calculated by an attorney..and not by me..secondly..If people dont make money on my site they wont stay will they..so again, Im at a loss to explain why you now decide to flame away, although I have done nothing but help you .,..even in setting up accounts that you wouldnt have been able to get.. I wish you luck

To: Pluvia who wrote (34607)	5/4/1999 8:47:00 PM
From: If only I'd held	Respond to of 122087

Pluvia, your opinions give me the impression you have been on a drinking binge all week or something. I don't get it. This is about the fact that Anthony is going to make a business out of what he has been doing for free, isn't it?? It burns some of you. I am not happy about it either, but it doesn't warrant insulting the man, or challenging his integrity. It is his right to take this direction. If you do not want to join his site, don't. But for crying out loud, don't insult him because you will miss him. Keep in mind that I have never seen him insult anyone on this thread. Never. I have seen him counter some folks that attacked him, but he did it in about as mature a way as anyone could have handled it. If you had the same maturity that he has, you would not be acting the way you are. What you have done today was a low blow. I am ashamed of you.

To: Pluvia who wrote (34607)	5/4/1999 8:52:00 PM
From: Junkyardawg	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 122087

Pluvia When I read a post from you I feel like I need a shower. I don't think I have ever had a dislike for anyone. I generally like most everyone seeing how that we are all different in our own way and we have our good and bad points. I have more bad points than good and I will be the first to admit it. But I do not ever treat people with the insurmountable disrespect that you do. In my opinion there is never an excuse to treat people with disrespect even if you are more knowledgeable in some areas than they are. Please do not respond to this and Anthony is big enough to take care of himself. I do hope that someday if your luck turns bad and you find yourself in need of a friend that you will realize what price you pay for making money while being an arrogant you know what. Also, I have no problem with going short on anystock. I have the greatest respect for Anthony but I feel that there is a right way and a wrong way to do anything. dawg

To: Pluvia who wrote (34607)	5/4/1999 11:25:00 PM
From: patchman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 122087

Steve, I respect your acumen as a trader and you have pointed me in the right direction on several trades, (BIDS) for one. I don't question your motives for making those recommendations because I am ultimately responsible for what I do with them. Anthony has attracted a substantial following of adept traders and contributors, who I would not have access too without him. If he shares in the glory of those trades that is his right, it was his thread and people brought them to his attention. He became a very good facilitator. DBCC was the best trade of my life and I do believe somebody else, other than Anthony, brought it up initially. I was an original member of John G's SEC Shorting Club and he attracts a great following. They went private & secure for many of the same reasons Anthony did. I lost a lot of money on my first trade using Anthony's recommendation. The stock was halted that morning and I had put my order in and gone on to other business. He offered to help me in getting my money back, since my order was executed, even though the trading was supposedly halted. This was a long time ago before I think he envisioned a private thread. Look at the bright side; theres now a big hole to fill (if your not a Mr. Pink fan) and I think your the best guy to fill it. How about Steve@LakeSuperior or something.

To: Pluvia who wrote (34607)	5/4/1999 11:54:00 PM
From: M. Dion	Respond to of 122087

Pluvia....I disagree with you......I would say that i have followed anthonys posts almost religiously.....The only fault i ever had is that he may occasionally make a call while the stock is running and thus by the time the normal shorter has a chance to find shares and short them, the stock is down considerably.......thats the only fault i can find....... By saying that you dispute his calls and timing you are saying that anthony is a liar....and thats not fair nor true....... by the way, if you had a canadian account you wouldnt need to go thru the process of finding shares first......as a result, you could short any stock pick anthony has posted within a minute of the actual post...... Going underground is a great idea for him.......So what if the information is orginally generated from someone else....when he makes the call, its his butt thats out on the firing line, not the guy who originally called it......thats why he does the research that he does before he makes the call...... He is a leader......He has found a niche......If your upset that its no longer free....then fine...we understand that......but dont lesson what he has accomplished since december.......and he took a month off for humatarian purposes..... you have had some great posts......we will miss ya...... mike