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To: Morpher who wrote (7212)5/8/1999 5:25:00 PM
From: Dan Clark  Respond to of 12617
 
LOL!



To: Morpher who wrote (7212)5/8/1999 5:30:00 PM
From: BradC  Respond to of 12617
 
<As for the day traders, Nygren thinks in the end they'll only be hurting themselves. But he worries that it will scare a generation of investors out of the market, much like the aftermath of the stock crash of 1929.> Cheez, here we go again. I think what he meant to say was it will scare a generation of 'mutual fund' investors out of the market. I'm sure the day traders will figure out how to take care of themselves. I think it's old Nygren that's shakin in his boots. It's amazing how much credit and blame the so called day traders get for anything that happens in the market these days.



To: Morpher who wrote (7212)5/8/1999 7:03:00 PM
From: Mark Davis  Respond to of 12617
 
Another ludicrous piece on daytrading. What's this fetish about profiting from the spread? That is something SOES bandits did when the MM's ruled the roost and fixed prices.

I doubt if 1 in 50 count spread making as a significant part of their game. Prices on most internet stocks move so fast, that the spread is a non-issue at best. Nice to make it, but doesn't make or break the trade.




To: Morpher who wrote (7212)5/9/1999 4:11:00 AM
From: Roman S.  Respond to of 12617
 
I guess I shouldn't have made that $6k net last month. I feel so guilty now as a 'daytrader' after reading that article. Maybe I should call up my brokerage and tell them to reverse all those trades and give back the money, because I didn't deserve it. It's those dealers and mutual funds that should've gotten my money instead.

Yes I am being sarcastic, and can't wait for the day they start writing about how MM's controlled the market for so many years without the general public being any wiser. I have a feeling I'll be waiting til hell freezes over for that day to come.



To: Morpher who wrote (7212)5/9/1999 8:02:00 AM
From: Wayners  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12617
 
The funds simply do not like the volatility as that decreases their returns. Still can't figure out how daytrading is easier in a bull market. You can go short or long depending on the trend and still close the positions at the end of the day. Also still can't figure out how all the day traders are going to suddenly be wiped out when the bull market ends, like the market is going to end all of a sudden in the middle of the day, LOL. The funds depend on increasing assets to make their management fees. What the funds are really afraid of is not the day traders losing money, but all of their clients bailing out of mutual funds after day traders have stopped supporting the stocks in their portfolios. The music ends when the day traders leave particular stocks. You see this all the time already, but its not the daytraders who are losing money, its the people that hold overnite that get stuck holding the bag each time. Its the mutual fund owners and institution investors that get stuck without chairs when the music stops.

"They are novices," Liu said. "When there is a bull market, yes, they can make money. But once the music has stopped, day traders will disappear. They will lose so much money, I tell you."--Like daytraders will continue to go long on stocks that are going down or are flat or lack volatility or volume. Give me a break.

Day traders also tend to buy some of the riskiest companies, such as Internet stocks, because their prices swing the most. But many managers worry about the inevitable "burst" of the so-called Internet bubble.--Yes, many managers worry about the "burst" of the Internet Bubble and you know why, because they are the ones secretly investing in this sector, holding huge positions overnite; they are the ones taking much higher risks especially as measured by volatility, and most importantly they worry about it because they know the daytraders can bail very quickly and stick them with the stock and huge losses. Seems to me if the funds are so worried about it, maybe they shouldn't be investing in these types of companies. But wait they can't do that because they have to keep up with their neighbors mutual fund returns who do invest in these companies. Yes, the funds are going to be left holding the bag. No doubt. The funds want everybody to be long term money and not trade to boost the funds own returns at a lower level of risk. Dream on.



To: Morpher who wrote (7212)5/9/1999 9:34:00 AM
From: TFF  Respond to of 12617
 
24 Hour Currency Trading
Forbes
By Colleen Mastony

ith the click of a mouse and enough caffeine, individual investors can now trade currencies 24 hours a day. The Sydney foreign exchange market gets going at 4:00 PM EST on Sunday. As markets gear up in Tokyo, the Middle East, Europe and then the U.S., an investor could literally trade around the clock, straight through the end of U.S. market activity on Friday.

With $1.5 trillion in currency exchanged 24 hours a day between dealers in every major time zone, foreign exchange is by far the largest financial market, greatly exceeding the $300 billion traded at the U.S. Treasury bond market and the $10 billion exchanged on the U.S. stock markets. The Forex market has no central fixed location. Rather, trading goes on primarily over the telephone in hundreds of locations around the world, between commercial banks, hedge funds, corporate customers and Forex brokerages.

Until recently, individuals wanting access to the Forex market had to open a brokerage account and call in for price quotes over the phone. Now real-time currency market data are available for free over the Internet. There are a number of international firms that offer online currency trading to U.S. investors, such as U.K.-based Currency Management Corp. and Geneva-based Killiney Investments.

In the last few years a couple of U.S. companies have begun to offer cash foreign-exchange-trading services over the Internet. Our pick: New York-based Money Garden Financial Group, a foreign exchange firm that focuses on individual traders and began offering online transactions in 1997. We picked Money Garden because among other things it offers the lowest commission rates we could find.

Money Garden clears trades for at least five other trader-broker firms, among them New York-based Global Exchange Network and Dallas-based Global Forex. When Global Exchange and Global Forex customers place a trade over the Internet, the order is carried out by Money Garden dealers.



Each web site handles online execution of trades for the Japanese yen, Swiss franc, British pound and euro. They offer free real-time currency quotes, charting applications and news feeds. Global Forex and Global Exchange attempt to attract customers by adding services to their own sites. While Global Forex doesn't offer much more than the Money Garden, Global Exchange clients can monitor their stock portfolios, access Zack's research reports and link to financial sites. In May Global Exchange also plans to offer a $500 training program for novice Forex traders.

The sites offer comparable spreads, minimum deposits and margin requirements. To open an account Money Garden requires a deposit of $1,000 while Global Forex and Global Exchange both require deposits of $3,000. Investors must maintain at least $500 in their accounts to continue trading with the firms, though all strongly recommend a balance of $10,000. Margin requirements are on a sliding scale, with Global Forex and Money Garden starting at 0.5% and Global Exchange starting at 1%.

Money Garden offers the lowest commission, charging only accounts under $10,000 at a rate of $10 per round turn, which is the buying and selling of a block of currency. Per round turn, Global Exchange charges $10 for accounts under $50,000, $5 for accounts under $100,000 and $3 for accounts over $100,000. Global Forex has the most expensive rates at $25 per round turn.

Perhaps the most useful component, offered by all three sites, is the free demo account that starts potential investors trading with a $10,000 paper account using real-time data. The accounts are free for a month and cost $20 to $50 a month thereafter, though all three sites are willing to extend the trial for serious investors.

It is important to practice before jumping into the Forex market. Though volatility and leverage make for a higher profit potential, even veteran investors with nerves of steel might have trouble keeping calm during the sharp upturns and downturns of the market. On a recent day the euro moved from 1.0560 at 8:30 AM to 1.0630 by 3:00 PM, a move worth roughly $700 for a $100,000 euro position, the basic unit size for trading euros. Because firms require only a 0.5% to 1% margin for small trades, an investor could use as little as $1,000 to take a $100,000 position, but with rollercoaster-like market fluctuations that $1,000 could be reduced to pennies in just a few seconds. If your account balance drops below margin requirements, the trade closes automatically.

You don't want to invest any money you can't afford to lose. "This is not for the faint of heart or the light of wallet," says Kurt Walter, director of product development at the Financials.com, an Internet company that runs a web site on currency markets and provides Forex content for web sites.

Money Garden targets experienced investors who are familiar with the risks of trading on leverage. "If you don't have experience margin trading, if you are not following the markets or if you have just started online investing in the last year, then this is not for you," cautions Mark Prossner, vice president of news and information services at Money Garden.

The currency market is unregulated, so as for any investment, those considering online currency trading should do their homework by studying the market and scrutinizing any firm they are considering doing business with.

Jay Meisler, a former foreign-exchange trader who now runs Global-View, a Forex discussion web site, explains: "There are people in the U.S. who are up all night trading. The point is that you could pick any time during the day and there is a chance to trade." For those of you who can afford the possibility of losing some money and some sleep, may the Forex be with you.



To: Morpher who wrote (7212)5/11/1999 6:00:00 PM
From: KM  Respond to of 12617
 
Do the wisemen quoted in that article think that daytraders can't short stocks? Good grief! I have short trades every single day, they're often the most profitable ones. As for the Internet bubble bursting, if that happens, I'll be shorting that stuff, won't you guys?