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To: Neocon who wrote (2719)	5/10/1999 4:23:00 AM
From: Mama Bear	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13056

"If one doesn't like to have loud music playing in the hallway of one's apartment building at two am, one is engaging in censorship! " Perhaps your problem is that you just don't understand what infringement on the rights of others means. Unless you assume that the other residents don't have a right to the quiet enjoyment of their homes. "If one objects to hate speech on a radio program, and advises others of like persuasion to boycott the sponsor, one is engaging in censorship." This example assumes the person objecting has no right to free speech. Of course it would only be an infringement if the gov't were to pass a law outlawing the radio talk show. Did you read the op-ed by Hentoff concerning the contract killer and his manual? No comments on that First Amendment controversy? Barb

To: Neocon who wrote (2719)	5/10/1999 10:28:00 AM
From: dave rose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13056

<<<<If one objects to hate speech on a radio program, and advises others of like persuasion to boycott the sponsor, one is engaging in censorship.>>>> In my way of thinking, only governments can apply true censorship. I can request that you boycott but only a government can make you boycott. My freedoms are too valuable to me to let people of your beliefs to determine what I can and cannot do unless I commit force or fraud on my fellow man. Yes you can site examples of problems which may occur but I am willing to withstand these problems for my liberty. JMHO daverose

To: Neocon who wrote (2719)	5/12/1999 1:09:00 AM
From: MeDroogies	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13056

If the music stops playing because it was keeping people up, and enough of them complained, then it was an invasion of their right to privacy and not censorship. If hate speech is offensive to the listeners of a station, and enough threaten to stop listening, then they are acting on their right to choose, and the station (wanting to keep listeners) is not censoring, but making a relatively simple economic choice. If he is more concerned about making a stand for totally free speech, he may offset less revenues with a "good feeling" of having supported free speech. Howard Stern is a perfect example of this. Stations tried to use economics to keep him off the air, but then ratings translated into revenues. Then NBC forced him off because they didn't like his behavior. They wound up selling a piece of crap station off, one that had been dominant 3 years earlier. Making economic choices isn't the same as censorship, and offers different payoffs.