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To: RTev who wrote (22540)5/11/1999 10:38:00 PM
From: blankmind  Respond to of 74651
 
MSFT has been up 3 straight days. Will Wed. make it 4 in a row?



To: RTev who wrote (22540)5/11/1999 11:31:00 PM
From: t2  Respond to of 74651
 
Rtev, It feels as if MSFT stock is behaving like IBM (or a tobacco stock) of the past simply because it seems to be underperforming. I have felt the same way as SFD at times. I also feel the trial is really the only reason the stock has not moved up but on the bright side, the stock price is holding up.
When the stock price starts moving up in anticipation of June earnings, these feelings of concern will vanish.
Everyone just has to remember that the stock ran up in January and March even though we were subjected to all the negative reports of the trial.




To: RTev who wrote (22540)5/12/1999 12:06:00 AM
From: t2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74651
 
RTev, Re: Political climate.
I believe the fact that MSFT is the top holding in S and P index funds makes people pro-Microsoft. A SMALL part of the reason for the strong public support has to do with the increase in mutual fund investing this decade. The index funds continue to become more and more popular as well. (another reason of course is hatred of big government) Even people who don't invest in retirement funds, may have pension funds which may also be getting away from managed funds to index funds.

What does all this mean? If I am Joe Average reading my mutual fund statement and see MSFT as the top holding, I will have a positive opinion of the company. I understand this may not work on everyone but many borderline persons can be swayed. Most people don't really have opinions in such matters unless they have a vested interest!!
They may not even realize that MSFT may only make up a small percentage of an index fund. However, when one sees it as the top holding, it gets noticed by the mutual fund investor. That is why I believe the MSFT leap over GE last fall is going to be a factor as this case unfolds.

The next thing to consider (if necessary) is jump to the NYSE. Then it also gets into DOW index funds (i don't know how the companies get weighted). Then if MSFT goes down, it puts a downward pressure on the market, making the public a little worried...... ready to blame someone for possibly causing a major market correction. I bet the DOJ/States would be near the top of the list. Some people not be getting re-elected. What will a politician do facing the possibility of such a scenario? Everything to avoid it and do nothing that will rock the boat!!

I still think the New York state attorney Vaco lost the election because of his anti-MSFT stance. Even if less than 1 percent voted based upon their mutual fund, it would have cost him the election and probably did. AG elections are only likely to attract middle to upper class voters (I could be wrong) and these are the ones who have mutual fund investments! I got away from watching baseball and hockey and started on the market----I believe this is also a trend. The market is very exciting---like being in Vegas but with better odds.

I don't think the AGs are interested in getting lots of money like they did from tobacco. It was in their interest to go after them because it meant public support. It was way to get re-elected. Going after MSFT is a bit too risky for them. Politicians don't like risk.
As you stated: Despite the trial, Microsoft still seems to be a popular company with the public. A state attorney general running for office would have a difficult time justifying the same kinds of company-destroying tactics used in the tobacco talks. Rather than crowing about the huge damages, an AG will want to be able to say something like, "We have opened the competitive landscape so that the consumer will have greater choice in the future, and so that our local XYZ Tech Co. will have an equal chance to compete. This trial resulted in a great win for the people, the workers, and the businesses of our great state." In answer the a question about the effect of the trial on MSFT stockholders, the AG will want to be able to reasonably say, "We believe this is a great win for Microsoft stockholders because the company will grow and prosper as it competes in a fair and open market."

I would add that would be a great way to get re-elected--especially if MSFT stock is not hurt.




To: RTev who wrote (22540)5/12/1999 8:46:00 AM
From: Jill  Respond to of 74651
 
Great post, RTev, and I agree. Tobacco became politicized because it was seen as companies willfully addicting people to a substance (nicotine), adding more of it into cigarettes, and thus apparently leading directly to cancer, large-scale morbidity and mortality. Thus that rather unbelievable case where the woman got some huge settlement in damages because she had lung cancer and had been smoking since a teen. (Hard for me to believe--smoking is an individual's choice). MSFT case isn't a good analogy, though clearly it is doing damage to the company and could do still more, but it's about business. (Seems to me you're allowed all the "ruthless" business practices that flourish in our capitalist society until you get real big and the other guys get jealous--then you have to reform!--but they wouldn't hesitate to do the same in a New York minute if they could!)

Jill



To: RTev who wrote (22540)5/12/1999 8:00:00 PM
From: RTev  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74651
 
I'm going to propose a [loong] scenario for settlement of the antitrust case that seems to solve most of the issues raised in it, but also gives MSFT shareholders a pleasant result. I offer it under the meaning of the futurist's notion of scenario, that is, not as a prediction of what will happen but as an analysis of what could happen.

The memo leaked a month ago by the state attorneys general concerning proposed remedies showed that the AGs were aiming for two broad goals in the remedies: 1.) structural changes at Microsoft that would blunt its monopoly power in consumer Windows, and 2.) maintenance of shareholder equity in the company. Their preferred alternative at the time -- an auction of Win95/98 code base -- was roundly criticized for several good reasons, but I think there's another way to meet both of those goals -- a way that could be either good or at least acceptable to nearly everyone involved. It's a remedy that t2 and other have mentioned in prior posts.

Split off only the consumer Windows division into a new company.

Equity in the new company: Current non-insider holders of MSFT would get a fractional ownership in the new company based on its projected value. It might mean 1 share of common stock with voting rights in the new company for every 5, 8, or 10 shares of MSFT held at the time of the divestiture. Microsoft itself and its insider shareholder would get a different non-voting, but dividend-yielding class of stock. This would give the new company independence from Microsoft but would give the company an interest in its financial well-being. Microsoft (and, of course, its shareholders) would directly benefit via the dividends from the new company's profits.

"Property" divested to the new company: The new company would get the code base, patents, and technologies currently maintained by the Consumer Windows division. Exactly what that means would be open to considerable negotiation. Because it's been tied so tightly into the OS code, the new company would probably get IE code. Who would get things like ActiveX, DirectX, or other shared-code products? The two companies would have to negotiate -- probably under some court direction -- to figure that out, along with licensing agreements for other technologies.

Taking a lesson from Judge Greene's Solomonic decision on the "Bell" trademark, the new company would also get exclusive right to the "Windows" trademark. (Which means Microsoft would either have to come up with a new moniker for NT and CE or pay the new company for using "Windows".)

The new company would also be given short-term broad latitude in hiring current Microsoft employees for their team.

Business goals of the new company: With one significant exception, the new company (call it Windows, Inc.) would have long-term freedom to enter into any business they wished, but in the short term, it would be set up mainly as a licensing and certification business.

Among the licenses it would sell would be development licenses. Like the AG's auction notion, this would give any company willing to pay for it the right to see, use, and develop Windows. But there'd be one big difference: Windows, Inc. would retain copyright and control of the code and any changes based on the code. That would give WInc. final say in any changes made to the code. "Windows" would be controlled by a central authority.

They'd use a "commuity development" model in which changes made by any licensee would be available to all. Changes would be subject to an approval process in which development licensees participated. A financial model would also give developers a negotiated return for each copy of Windows sold, based on their contribution to the code base.

WInc. would also issue sales licenses, giving the licensee the right to sell WInc.-approved versions of "Windows" under the company's name. A company with such a license could make OEM contracts, direct-sale contracts, and other arrangements. WInc. would have access to all such contracts and would receive a return each copy sold.

The restriction on Windows, Inc. is that they would not be able to enter into sales agreements except through that process. This would be a complicated part of it, since I'm not sure how a "sales license" would be different from an "OEM license", but the notion is that other organizations would be responsible for sales and marketing of the product.

As long as what they sold under the "Windows" name met the certification requirements of Windows, Inc., licensees would be able to offer any kind of bundle they wanted -- including products in their package that were not part of the OS itself.

WInc. would become mostly a build & test organization with a highly bureaucratic front office to handle all the contracts and distributions (but it would presumably be a highly-automated bureau). They'd do limited development themselves, but would be responsible for making sure that all copies of Windows sold met certain defined compatibility requirements.

Additional restrictions on Microsoft: I suspect the plaintiff lawyers would ask for one additional remedy: For a period of time based on its total OS market share for desktop computers and servers Microsoft would be required to make its OEM and direct-sales contracts for both NT and Windows public. (This is similar to a restriction placed on AT&T after its divestiture of the monopoly local businesses. Even though AT&T was in a competitive market in long-distance, they were required to file tariffs that announced their pricing plans. The requirement was dropped only after their market share dropped below either 60 or 65%.)

Advantage to Microsoft: Microsoft could still sell consumer Windows and would probably retain considerable brand loyalty in that business. Through its non-controlling ownership of Windows, Inc., it would gain additional returns even on sales by other licensees. Microsoft could still develop consumer Windows. They would offer changes to the system through the development license process.

Advantage to MSFT shareholders: Since current holders of MSFT would become owners of Windows, Inc. as well, they'd benefit from the profits of both companies.

Advantage to competition: Even though they would still be a single "Windows" standard, it would be sold in different configurations by different companies. An OEM would be able to choose among those competing suppliers. Development would also favor increased competition. Caldera -- which owns DR-DOS -- might buy development rights and suggest changes that would make Windows fully compatible with their underlying system. AOL/Netscape might be interested in making changes that would pull IE out of the OS code so that Navigator could more easily be offered as part of a bundle that did not include IE.