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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (7974)	5/11/1999 11:19:00 PM
From: marcos	Respond to of 17770

"On the 10th of May, 1940, three Luftwaffe planes, HE 111s, bombed the German town of Freiburg by mistake, killing 57 people. The crews thought they were over a French town. The fragments of the bombs found later, confirmed the bombs as German, but German propaganda claimed the raid to be a terror attack by the French Airforce, justifying subsequent bombing of French towns. April 13, 1942. The area around Imber on the Salisbury Plain is the traditional training ground for the British Army. On April 13, during a demonstration of fire-power from a squadron of Hurricanes, one of the planes inadvertently fired into the crowd of invited military spectators. Twenty five officers and men were killed and seventy one injured. March 3, 1943. Near the Victoria Park underground station in London, an army defence unit was using a new type of rocket launcher. The whining noise they made sounded like falling bombs. Hearing this, many families in the area rushed to the underground shelter for safety. A woman carrying a baby tripped and fell at the bottom of the stairs. The rushing crowd behind was unable to stop and fell in a heap on top of her and the baby, suffocating each other. In all, 173 persons died. Bombing Error. April 15, 1943. The bombing of the MINERVA car factory in Antwerp, turned out to be one of the major tragedies of WW 11. The factory was converted to repair workshops for Luftwaffe planes and therefore on the priority list for attention by the US Eighth Air Force. The bombing run was poor, due to evasive action being taken to avoid German fighters. The bombs were released too late and fell on the residential part of Morstel, a suburb of Antwerp, over a mile away from the target. In all, 936 civilians were killed including 209 schoolchildren. A total of 1,342 people were injured and 220 houses destroyed." Lots more screwups here - iinet.net.au No nation comes off looking brilliant. "Gomorrah. The code name for the bombing of Hamburg during the ten days of July 24 to August 3, 1943. It produced a fire-storm, the first in history, in which the flames reached a height of three miles above the city. Temperatures in the centre of the conflagration reached 1,400 degrees F.(800 degrees C.) and as the inferno sucked in more oxygen, winds reached an incredible 150 miles an hour. Thousands were caught in this heat, their bodies exploding in a ball of flame. After the war, the terrible toll was revealed, 30,482 people died but the most regrettable fact was that 5,586 children also died in the flames." I know a man who flew in this raid. He is opposed to the bombing of civilians.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (7974)	5/11/1999 11:29:00 PM
From: Timothy Liu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

> petty gains I will assure you it would not be petty gains. First of all, ten year anniversary of 1989 incident now looks outlandish and I doubt the students will muster up their spirit for another round of demonstration. Secondly, human rights violations related to recent arrests of dissidents before 6/4 will go conveniently noticed. Last but not least, this will become an important bargaining chip in future trade and WTO negotiations. If Slob's release of POW was an A- I would give this one a B+. Strategically speaking. Don't really agree with your last statement. If West pressed on the issue, it would be another cold war. The stupid thing with this bombing is the reason is so inconceivable that you can not vocally and formally blame Chinese for not believing (even though deep down both side know it probably is a mistake). Tim

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (7974)	5/12/1999 1:41:00 AM
From: Enigma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Very quickly we're seeing this Chinese business escalating into something with its own momentum - but, first there seems no question that the demonstrations were genuine. We forget too that under the surface there is an opposition in China - and there is opposition within the party itself. If the Chinese govt. had cracked down on the demos then would be putting themselves into a pro-US camp - not exactly where they want to be after their embassy has been attacked - possibly deliberately. An attack on a country's embassy is an attack on the country itself I saw Letterman tonight and his monologue on China was tasteless in the extreme - but it is only a symptom of how insensitised we have become. All of this obscene comment accompanied by whoops and hollers from the audience. The Chinese business is quickly escalating into a re-visiting of old attitudes - shades of the Yellow Peril, and the Red Manace. What we are seeing is the New World Order flexing its muscles - and there's really no opposition. Aand the Chinese are alarmed. This brutal adventure in Serbia could not have happened in the Cold War when there appeared to be parity of military strength. Now we see America/Nato as bully boy with night after night of brutal onslaught against European people. And the smooth spin merchant Jamie Shea with his little smile talks as if most of us actually approve of what is going on.