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To: The Philosopher who wrote (38121)	5/13/1999 12:29:00 AM
From: Chuzzlewit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

You are still insisting on confusing the representation of a number (the numeral) with the number. It doesn't matter, the two are independent. What you are proposing is equivalent to people of different languages talking about the same thing, say water, and you insist that the Spaniard who says agua, the German who says wasser, and the Englishman who says water are talking about three different things. I still say nonsense. They are all describing the same thing. TTFN, CTC

To: The Philosopher who wrote (38121)	5/13/1999 1:04:00 AM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

What is not unintelligible, nonsensical, or meaningless, in dolphin language or Martian language, is that whatever base system anybody uses, a fair trade in salmon is going to be recognized by the trading parties, and by the observers to it.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (38121)	5/13/1999 4:16:00 AM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Everyone, please stop this number discussion . This thread is very hot and quite ridiculous. Consult any short treatise or encyclopaedia under "number." In duodecimal notation, the first 14 positive integers are "named" 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,t,e,10,11,12 ... You see that "4" is the fourth in the series, and "t" is the tenth. "10" is the twelfth. All of this discussion of 4 in base four arithmetic, deals with an undefined term. In the base four system the first 14 positive intgerers are "named" 1,2,3,10,11,12,13,20,21, 22,23,30,31,32. Notice the fourth integer is "named" 10 = 1 x 10^1 or = 1 x (4^1)base 4. "1" is the only integer name invariant under change of base. This is because i^0 is identically equal to 1 (where i = any integer).