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To: ahhaha who wrote (33800)	5/13/1999 4:06:00 PM
From: Investor-ex!	Respond to of 116768

If you can make a stock uptick, then you have manipulated the market. Yes, especially if the economics would have it declining without overt intervention. Selling the prospect of volatility? It is possible to sell the appreciation of land on the moon, but you have to find a PT Barnum buyer to do it. What are options sellers selling, if not volatility? What are OTM options pricing, if not the chance to reap benefit from volatility? It is hard to find financial entities whose price never changes. The only ones which do have either 0 price or infinite price. Air is such an example. What would you pay for it? Sorry, I really didn't think you would take this literally. Substitute "little price movement" for "no price movement". And through a variety of indirect mechanisms, the industrialized world pays for its air every day. This price is not zero, nor is it infinite -- yet. What of your assertion that "successful" manipulations only exist as a matter of unachievable extremes in price movement?

To: ahhaha who wrote (33800)	5/14/1999 2:16:00 AM
From: Zardoz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116768

"It is hard to find financial entities whose price never changes. The only ones which do have either 0 price or infinite price. Air is such an example. What would you pay for it?" Toronto Canada does/did have an oxygen bar. Hospitals use oxygen on a rugular basis. Purified commodities, obviously have a none zero price attached. Even though the bases elements are free. Consider Water, get some from an ocean, purify {remove the salt} and sell it as fresh water.