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To: FtrPlt who wrote (2851)5/17/1999 3:23:00 PM
From: michael r potter  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 4467
 
-OT- Don't intend to pursue this discussion much further, because of the presumed limited interest of others, but selling the 115 put has a totally different risk profile. It is the equivalent of going long additional SFE sh. with an effective buy price of $80 3/8 and a willingness to cap the upside at $115. Ex. one is long 1000 sh SFE. Sell 10 Aug. 115 puts. Now long the equivalent of 2,000 sh. SFE with the second long position having an effective buy price of $80 3/8 and the upside capped at $115. May be an appropriate thing to do, but would be entered into for much different reasons than selling a covered call. [Plus, even though one would have the exposure of an extra 1,000 sh. unlike an actual share owner, one would not be eligible for any rights or IPO of course.] The open interest in the $115 aug. put is almost non-existent, only 1 contract OI. If you or others would like to pursue this discussion, would suggest private messages. Mike



To: FtrPlt who wrote (2851)5/18/1999 3:49:00 AM
From: michael r potter  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4467
 
Since there was interest from others, here is the result of the apparent disagreement re: Options. In the initial post, I was talking about selling the $115 call to take in premium and reducing risk. The second post gave the example of a 1000 sh. position and selling the calls. If puts were sold against that 1000 share position it would increase the risk equal to the #of puts sold, [minus the premium over intrinsic value]. If 10 puts were sold against 1,000 shares long, it would be like taking on the risk of another 1,000 sh. [minus premium over IV]. That is correct as stated. I was talking about selling calls against an existing long position [possibly for someone with a very low cost basis that would not sell at todays price but who wanted to take in a generous premium for protection]. FtrPlt was talking about the risk profile for someone taking a position in SFE, then selling the call vs. the strategy of just selling the deep in the money put which is like being synthetically long. Lets try again. If you already own SFE stock and want to reduce risk, selling calls will do it. If you sell puts instead, you increase the risk. But, if your choice is to buy SFE and sell the calls, vs. the strategy of simply selling deep in the money puts [and not being long the stock], the risk profile is the same. I was talking about reducing risk by taking in premium on an existing position. FtrPlt is talking about the risk profile going synthetically long by selling the put [not against an existing long position]. We were just talking about two different things. Hope this clears it up, Mike