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To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (48595)	5/20/1999 12:52:00 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

<<...my Might Makes Right campaign. Cut God out of the picture completely, and then consider my point...>> Ok, if we take God out of the picture, Might merely defines your relative ability to wield resources and more likely to be successful at achieving your objective than a competitor with less resources. Right implies that your aim is on target. Lets say you aim for satisfaction of some desire, for example. Let us say that you want to be pleased in your relation with a female. So, you grab this attractive female by the locks and force your self on her. Well, your objective was to have your way with her but your aim was satisfaction. You met your objective but now you find your "aim" of satisfaction is not satisfied and because of how this female has been changed, it never will be. So, were you right? You incorrectly established your objective which was off target for your established goal of satisfying your desire to be pleased with your relationship with the female. You met your objective but failed to achieve your goal. Failure at your own mighty hands infact makes you less right than if you had correctly set your objective but some other force was creating a barrier to achievement. In the first case you have ultimately failed; where as in the latter case you have recourse to continue and have no reason to write it off as a failure. This in fact is often the case for most of us. The ideas we dream up from our own wisdom become tragically disappointing when we find them flawed. Intelligent people readily find through scripture or prayer confirmation of our fallibility as well as hope and direction for its remedy. The messengers of this "way" of life never take credit for its right/righteousness and yet it clearly is right. They always give credit to God and why over all of history would these saintly messengers repeatedly make this the one lie to mix into the whole shebang? <<What is beyond speculation is the fact that Might Makes Right. (grin – okay okay)>> OK, so now lets put God back into it. The fact that a person can use the resources given to them in this life time to accomplish whatever goal they wish means nothing except that they have free will. If we consider God all powerful, then we have no reason to consider someone accomplishing an evil goal to have done so against God's will. If God wills something it is. If God wills that something not be, well then by God, it cannot be. If by your free will you choose evil, God has the power to see this manifest in the temporal domain and as such his will for your eternal soul is just and right as well. In this sense being mighty or meekly means only that no matter what course you choose in life the eternal plan, for your soul is right and just but you have no power to effect the measure of its rightness. You and your behavior makes nothing essentially more right or more wrong. What is right, is right by its essential righteousness. God's message on morality is always right. Science is always right too. Yah, I like the one about frogs being morphed out of mud through spontaineous generation. Aristotle and followers of the time were convinced they were right. The follow-up studies definately gave us useful information about God's creation and should have humbled the science worshippers enough that they would stop worshipping their job. Oh well, there is my effort. If it isn't 100% true, then I am 100% consistant. What isn't true is from my flawed ego, what is true is from God as always. Have peace

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (48595)	5/20/1999 1:21:00 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<<What is beyond speculation is the fact that Might Makes Right.>> Well if you are mightier than your opponent you may win a contest. Yet there is always another opponent to deal with so there is no ultimate Right in this line of thinking. On the other hand if you want to consider an Almighty being in this formula, I'll reconsider.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (48595)	5/20/1999 5:49:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Johannes, "Contact" sounds dreadful... Anyway, while it is true to say that to the victor belongs the spoils, including the ability to impose his definitions, that is still not the same as saying that Might Makes Right. Nor is the fact that there are moral disagreements a sufficient rebuttal of the objectivity of some judgments. If Might really made Right, than there would be no basis for criticizing any fait accompli, and therefore no dynamic for reform. The assertion of "right" involves the expectation of acquiescence. Slavery would still flourish if that were the case...Suppose that someone with little knowledge tells me a nonsensical version of Descartes philosophy. Is the fact that an doofus can garble something in a confident tone of voice supposed to lead me to acknowledge the equal validity of an uninformed view to an informed view? Even if an informed opinion can be wrong sometimes, it is still better than an uninformed opinion, which is right only by accident. That is all of the objectivity needed...

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (48595)	5/20/1999 10:10:00 AM
From: lorrie coey	Respond to of 67261

THE HISTORY OF AN ERROR..."Might Makes Right. (grin – okay okay)" A solution for all its riddles? A light for you, too, you best-concealed, strongest, most intrepid, most midnightly men?- This world is the will to power-and nothing besides! And you yourselves are also this will to power-and nothing besides! Might Makes Right. (grin – okay okay) "This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything immeasurably small or great in your life must return to you-all in the same succession and sequence-even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned over and over, and you with it, a dust grain of dust."