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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (9562)	5/22/1999 5:09:00 PM
From: RavenCrazy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

MORE REFUGEES After a weeklong lull, more refugees arrived in Macedonia Saturday; U.N. officials said they expect as many as 5,000 by the end of the day. About 3,700 refugees entered Albania from Kosovo on Friday, with many saying Serb security forces had banged on their doors and ordered them to leave. NBC's Kevin Tibbles in Belgrade and The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report. ______________________ Raven K_refugees@hotmail.com I will venture to say that, with the majority of the refugees OUTSIDE the camps and now in Skopje itself, where our two volunteers (Dana and Dusty) are, that what was reported 24 hours ago as a week's worth of food left will not last long. Apparently, the refugees are receiving only 20 to 25 percent of what is donated through NGOs. And the TV coverage that shows content, in-order camps with basketball courts neglect to say that it is too hot to play basketball, sweltering in the tents, and that more than half the refugees of the camps around Skopje have managed to get out of the camps and are living in the city, sometimes 40 to a small house. To the best of my knowledge, the Mother Theresa Organization, through which every dollar we raise is given in full for food for the refugees, has not received a cent from the posters on this board. Please forgive me if I am wrong. I also believe that they are the ONLY organization helping the refugees of Skopje. Lots of Westerners sitting around and watching, but the help seems to come only from Mother Theresa and ERA Television. Raven geocities.com

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (9562)	5/22/1999 5:24:00 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 17770

As for being a war criminal or hero, he was neither. He was a man of priniciples, a lover of freedom and liberty, and a man who took so glory or satisfaction from what had to be done, but merely did it, and did it with courage, fairness, and conviction. >>. And that difference is precisely why we should stay-out of Balkan's civil war... In a way we did (15,000 feet qulify as staying-out)

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (9562)	5/23/1999 5:27:00 PM
From: John Lacelle	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

Ron, One thing that made Abraham Lincoln great was his ability to find the core of an argument. In so doing, he would find the truth of the matter and act upon his conviction. The question of what kind of man Milosevic is the current topic in question. Who is he? Why does he do the things he does? What motivates him? When I made the comparision of Slobodon and Abraham, I made it with the knowledge that both had faced the same trial, that is the breakup of their nations. Yugoslavia is (was) a multiculteral republic created of six republics, Serbia, Slovania, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, and Montenegro. Created out of the ashes of WWII by a guerilla fighter of Croatian and Slovanian decent, Tito kept a strong lid on the ethnic nationalities with a form of soft communism and independence from the Soviet Block. After the death of Tito the Republic began to crumble due to rising nationalism, and the encouragement of some Europ- ean nations such as Italy and Germany which had many reasons for wanted to see Yugoslavia "Balkanized". There was a vote for independence by all the Republics in 1991. Unlike our constitution which held no provision for states leaving the union, the Yugoslavian Constitution actually allowed any or all of the Republics to leave if all six Republics voted their consent. The vote went: Slovania OUT Croatia OUT Bosnia OUT Macedonia OUT Montenegro IN Serbia IN Technically, any Republic that tried to leave would be violating the Constitution. Slovania mobilized its militia. Milsosevic sent in the JNA (Yugoslavian Army) to put down the rebellion just as Lincoln sent the Army to reinforce Fort Sumpter. The battle lasted only a few days before Milosevic made what I believe would be his big mistake. He held a meeting of the cabinet and stated that since there were practically no Serbs living in Slovania, they might as well let it go. Of course that only inspired the Croatians to break away. Milosevic met with Franjo Tudjman (President of Croatia and indicted war criminal) and tried to get him to remain within the Union. However, Tudjman had his own ideas which was to bring back the "Ustaza Republica", a NAZI puppet nation from WWII that built the Jujenuk death camp that killed 350,000 Serbs, many Jews and Gypsies. That flag of Croatia? It might as well be the swastika of the Weirmacht. Fact: The first death in the Yugoslavian civil war was a Slovanian pilot, shot down by a Slovanian antiaircraft battery. Fact: The first acts of ethnic cleansing were conducted by Croatians against Serbs in Croatia. For reasons that I just don't understand, Milosevic and the Serbs have been held accountable for all the war crimes and attrocities that have occured. For some strange reason, the media seems to have totally forgotten the brutal civil war between the Muslims and Croatians of 1993-1995. The also seem to have forgotten that Bill Clinton gave 200 million dollars in weapons in 1995 to Franjo Tudjman and the Croatian military ethnically cleansed 250,000 Serbs from Krajina in 1995. Bill Clinton gave the tools to several now indicted war criminal Croatian Generals. Would that not make him an accomplice in crime???????????????????????????????? Anyway, enough. My own solution would be to have continued the arms embargo (which Clinton broke) and let the Republics slug it out. Eventually the war would have ended...but now it is just a relentless nightmare...paid for by our tax dollars and our compliance. Don't ya just feel groovy? -John