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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (2737)	5/26/1999 11:52:00 AM
From: Alice Scandura	Respond to of 17683

One point that I haven't seen is that we are not training enough of our own students to fill these scientific (especially computer related) positions. In many universities 90% of the graduate students in some science, math or computer science departments are foreign students (frequently on scholarships paid for by our tax dollars). The US ends up being very dependent upon these students everywhere from our most secure research laboratories to the patent office. The US government should be giving scholarships (not low interest loans) to any US students who have the academic credentials to get into these programs. I have seen many promising US undergraduates take positions in business rather than go to graduate school because (a) they were not in a selected class and eligible for scholarships and (b) they had large undergraduate loans to pay off. These policies are already beginning to come back to haunt us!!

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (2737)	5/26/1999 12:32:00 PM
From: Jim S	Respond to of 17683

... Where I differ with you is how to not only maintain our way of life but to improve it and how to increase our prosperity... ... We must maintain our humanity, our openness, our stringent respect for the law. We must not give in to hate, fear, and suspicion... Sigh. Ok, Mary, I repeat: we disagree. I am a realist, and don't share your opinion that "if only we could all just make nice to one another, we could all live in a warmhearted, soft, and fuzzy little world." I can promise you that the Chinese do not concern themselves with whether or not they might hurt our tender little feelings in their dealings with us. And, they are quick to embrace and use the emotion of any who will permit it. No offense intended, but this includes you. Your words sound nice, and have a most genteel ring to them, but people with your opinions and attitudes are quickly taken advantage of in international negotiations. In our dealings with other nations, we must always be pragmatic and constantly vigilant. This is especially true in our dealings with nations that don't share our sense of values. If you want to call that racist, we have something else to disagree about, and the foreign power will be quick to embrace your allegation. I must admit, you lost me with: But where I strongly disagree with you is where you would take us with your brand of patriotism. Perhaps you could enlighten me a bit by defining the different brands of patriotism? My confusion stems from my belief that patriotism is simply a desire to further the cause of one's own country, and that the causes of other nations are secondary to that. If "another brand" of patriotism would include "Jane Fonda-ish" beliefs, we have another item to add to our list of disagreements, for I consider that an oxymoron. Which leads us right back to the "Clintonesque" foreign policy and my allegation of his treason. While you may not like where "my brand of patriotism" would take us, I submit that it is precisely "my brand" that has brought this country to where it is. Rather, where it WAS before the Clown In Charge began to diminish us in both real and subjective terms. As you can see, Mary, I'm a sensitive 90's kind of a guy. So, can't we all just get along? <pardon the snickering.> jim

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (2737)	5/26/1999 2:09:00 PM
From: Yogizuna	Respond to of 17683

"Our humanity and respect for the rule of law". Oh sure Mary, just tell that to the Serbian woman and children being maimed and killed by our barbaric and evil bombing, as we, in the name of "good", bomb hospitals, civilian trains, foreign embassies, TV stations, you name it, all the name of "goodness and humanity". If that is "humanity and respect for the rule of law", I sure as heck would not want to see what inhumanity and disrespect for the rule of law would look like in this country! Yogi