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To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (26114)	5/27/1999 11:54:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

It depends on the assumed underpinnings. If morality is "extended prudence", for example, then it could flourish on either premise. If it is cosmic and transcendent, then it requires God, or at least a Logos at the center of the universe...

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (26114)	5/28/1999 3:45:00 AM
From: JF Quinnelly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

To paraphrase Dostoevsky "When there is no God all things are permitted". In nature we don't see justice operate, we see force. Moral intuition is just that, intuition. The Moral Argument is a problem for the non-theist position; once you start arguing for the real existence of non-materials you start making the theist's case. Bahnsen's Transcendental Argument is another similar question. The non-theist is stuck pleading "logic just is" or "ethics just is". Sounds just like Anselm's Ontological Argument.