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To: Yaacov who wrote (10128)	5/27/1999 3:33:00 PM
From: John Lacelle	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

Yaacov, The United States is one tough country. We invented football, thermonuclear weapons, napalm, and VX nerve gas. You think we don't know how to ethnic cleanse? We can cleanse with the best of em. You should have seen what we did to the Nez Pierce, Cherokee, Apache, Navaho, Hopi, Zuni, Dakota, Oklahoma, Blackfeet, Shoshoni, Chumash, and about 50 other Indian Tribes. Look what we did to Mexico, Spain, Japan, Viet Nam, Iraq and about 50 other nations that didn't kiss our asses. Submit or you will pay. Will the next nation that wants its ass kicked please stand up? -John

To: Yaacov who wrote (10128)	5/27/1999 3:35:00 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Hiroshima was nuked by the United States, to save one million allied lives that would have been the cost of invasing Japan! So, what do you think abou that! Are you ashamed? Wait Yaacov!!! Give me a second to break out a hanky and wipe these tears of shame from my eyes...... Crocodile tears, that is. As an aside, I do feel shame for the racist bias of the Roosevelt administration and the American people when they locked up ethnic Japanese-Americans in internment camps. We certainly didn't do the same thing to the German or Italian Americans. Having grown up near one of these (long after the war, of course), my grandmother told me about them. But nuking two cities in order to save a million US casualties (and who knows how many Japanese dead)?? I never lost sleep thinking about it. And wouldn't lose any sleep if it were necessary to do it again under the same circumstances. Regards, Ron

To: Yaacov who wrote (10128)	5/27/1999 9:23:00 PM
From: JBL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

I say Yaacov that we live in different times, that we are not dealing with Nazis, and that if you believe carpet bombing the Serbs is a solution to our problem there, then every third world power, even those who used to be moderate, will race to get their hands on weapons of mass destruction, and will feel free to use them on their opponents. In your very noble quest to reestablish the rights of Kosovar, you are willing to make choices and use means that in the longer term will be proven to be catastrophic for world peace. This idea of yours that carpet bombing the Serbs is justified is pure folly, and if you can't realize this idea is insane, then all your knowledge of history, geography, cultures and conflicts ammounts to nothing. Your rage makes you blind Yaacov.

To: Yaacov who wrote (10128)	5/28/1999 1:15:00 AM
From: Andy Thomas	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

>>United Sates and Great Britain carpet bombed Germany from 1943 to 1945. What do you say about that! The German cities were bombed and and the civilians were targeted! You certainly have to know about that! What do you think?<< Do you think the Allied bombing was a major factor in the allied victory? I think that keeping Murmansk and the Persian railroads open - for example - may have played a larger part. As an aside, did you know that fully 25% of American casualties in WW2 were in the European air war? I used to think it was a cakewalk bombing tactical targets such as tanks and the like, until I saw some footage and realized the hail of anti-aircraft fire which seemed to greet every air attack. There is something to be said in any case for the fact that the Allied strategic bombing tied down so much of the luftwaffe in air defense. One of my uncles flew in 25 separate B-17 raids over Germany... I think that the air crews got to go home if they made it through that many. >>Hiroshima was nuked by the United States, to save one million allied lives that would have been the cost of invasing Japan! So, what do you think abou that! Are you ashmed? << I think that Japan could have been starved out. I still harbor the contention that the a-bomb was used as a signal to the Russians so that they might be awed by this new weapon and halt their advance through Manchuria, which had started not long before and was going very "smoothly" (the Japanese were being crushed) up until then. The russians halted their advance upon hearing the news of the new weapon, didn't they? In any case Japanese medium tanks invented during the '30s and not upgraded during the course of the war didn't hold up very well against formations of T-34/85s. As for the guilt of battlefield commanders (air force generals included), is it a commonly accepted fact that "all is fair in love and war" or is that a bit of a myth in and of itself? FWIW Andy