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To: JF Quinnelly who wrote (26543)	5/30/1999 1:49:00 AM
From: Graystone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

So it is scope, nothing else or Who knows best. On of the compelling facts that is often overlooked is the fact that the Kosovo crisis is the result of NATO action. We vote our individual governments in and out and they in turn are bound by interests beyond our own, National ones. NATO leaders represent a very large group of voters and they in turn are bound by agreements previously pledged, National ones. The NATO action speaks volumes. Canada couldn't have done it, Germany couldn't have done it. Maybe our future lies in this direction. If so, lead will fly

To: JF Quinnelly who wrote (26543)	5/30/1999 11:54:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 71178

The adoption of eugenics as a social good wasn't limited to the Nazis, you know. It had quite a hey-day here in the Good Old USA. Surely you remember the famous quote by Oliver Wendell Holmes, in a U.S. Supreme Court case supporting the forced sterilization of a supposedly genetically inferior woman, "Three generations of imbeciles is enough." Eugenics was also the reason that immigrants from Northwest Europe were given preferential treatment in the numbers allowed into the U.S.

To: JF Quinnelly who wrote (26543)	5/30/1999 12:39:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

>There have been two major attempts this century to base morality not on myth or religion but on science.< And I presume we both agree that these attempt are built on contortions of logic. There is no science of morality. Oh sure, "bioethics", but as science it is tentative. Neat beer talk. The ultimate source of morality and/or ethics does seem to bring us back every time to First Principles. For anyone with faith, religion provides a perfect set of those. For those of us who are leery of religion and its underlying faith structure, it gets harder. I'm left with a position like Cobalt's - try to pick out what works. It's a lousy setup - but it's the best I got. :-)