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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10670)	5/31/1999 10:15:00 AM
From: Enigma	Respond to of 17770

Can we keep religion off this thread? - if you believe - wonderful! - but faith is a personal thing and many don't agree with you - or believe something quite different, or don't believe anything at all. d

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10670)	5/31/1999 10:45:00 AM
From: Don Pueblo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Vidrine, you are hallucinating. You can't hide from me behind your religion. I know what you're really up to.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10670)	5/31/1999 12:41:00 PM
From: Jacalyn Deaner	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Emilie - you wrote: These values of intellectual freedom and freedom of speech are products of the Gospels and the New Testament. This explains why the "earth is flat" and "is the center of the universe". This explains why Galileo, Copernicus, was not ostracized for intellectually thinking freely (and correctly I might add) however, I digress. If the above two examples are the "intellectual values" Christianity produces, it is no wonder YOU are a product of that captvating philosophy. Now go away and rot under a rock. Jacalyn

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10670)	6/2/1999 4:13:00 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

<< The American values of intellectual freedom and freedom of speech are dear to the hearts of most Americans. Our Christian founding fathers had the wisdom to know that a free and unshackled exchange of ideas holds the key to truth. >> I read recently (can't remember just where) that current church membership in the US is about 60%. At the time of the American Revolution it was 17%. Ever hear of Tom Paine? He was an atheist. You have to distort the meaning of "Christian" beyond anything Thomas Jefferson would have to consider Jefferson a Christian. "Christian founding fathers"? Definitely not all of them. < These values of intellectual freedom and freedom of speech are products of the Gospels and the New Testament >> Do you know what the word "crap" means? The Spanish Inquisition is a good example of Christian tolerance. It's not just Christianity though; all religions want a monopoly. Free speech was a product of the Enlightenment, and much of that was directed at breaking the shackles that had been imposed by religion. Go read a little history and get some education before you open that cesspool you call a mouth, jerk.