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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Grainne who wrote (38711)	5/31/1999 10:44:00 AM
From: melinda abplanalp	Respond to of 108807

Yes it is a Freddy statement. He also think slaves enjoyed slavery and they didn't want to be free. He get's confused. It's the smog..LOL

To: Grainne who wrote (38711)	5/31/1999 12:22:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Respond to of 108807

>Since the South was an agrarian society with crops dependent upon a huge labor force, what would have changed that? < Imho? The Industrial Revolution. The cotton gin was already upon us. Another forty years and the tractor would be in the fields. Mechanization of agriculture makes labor-intensive slave economies impracticable. >And aren't black people still being murdered simply because of their skin color? < Uhm, what does that have to do with anything? The odd schoolkid is still getting shot too. Doesn't mean it is a representation of the true shape of our society. I'm not pushing any ideas here that I really strenuously defend. I'm engaging in some blue-sky thought, nothing real meaty. It does seem to me that one of the reinforcing elements of race tension in the South is that the Civil War and the century-long economic doldrums following it was Them Durn Nigers' Fault. That's how a lot of Southerners must have felt about it. Let's pretend that the South had won the Civil War or at least arrived at a negotiated settlement. Let's further say that slavery would have been undone by 1) economic reality and 2) a growing realization that maintaining an underclass is not in the spirit of the Constitution. So perhaps by 1900 slavery would have been abolished without our historical overburden of hard feelings. I'm not saying theis is how I'm SURE it WOULD have happened. But it makes sense to me that this is how it COULD have happened. >My own feeling is that the United States would not have survived as a country had the South won the Civil War. I think a European nation would have tried to use the slavery issue as an excuse to conquer a divided nation.< I'm not worried about that. The logistics of waging war across an ocean are really tough. We beat the mightiest seafaring nation in history with a few thousand farmers toting muskets. We'd'a been much better organized in 1870, and we were three years from receiving the first Colt Model P. The Henry Rifle (load on Sunday and shoot all week, they said) was extant and would have provided an insuperable tactical advantage. Oh, the Yank States would have survived and even become a superpower. But our "manifest destiny" would have been diverted. The CSA, California, the Lone Star Republic, Mexico ... would have been a whole different tapestry of states. By gum, we might even have lost territory to the Yellow Peril in WWII !!