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To: pezz who wrote (50667)	5/31/1999 9:25:00 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Obviously you missed this: 1.) The absolute right of a woman to terminate her pregnancy at any point does violence to the whole concept of paternity. Since it is her decision to carry the baby, it is her baby. The law has not caught up with the logical implications yet, but it will; 2.) Therefore, abortion weakens the connections between fathers and their progeny, and weakens the male concern with the consequences of sex, making men even more inclined to predatory behavior and abandonment; 3.) Furthermore, a liberal abortion regime invites abuse, since it denies that there is any hurdle that must be passed to obtain an abortion. Thus, it has been documented that many women use abortion as a means of sex selection--- ironically, primarily to abort females. It also creates the moral hazard of laxity with birth control, which has also been documented; 4.) Additionally, a liberal abortion regime makes it likely that genetic defects, such as Down's syndrome, will become less acceptable, since those who give birth to such people will be viewed as irresponsible for not having had an abortion; 5.) Abortion necessarily damages the sense of the sacredness of maternity, because unborn children are at any moment disposable should the woman choose to do so. That may not matter when the woman is fully committed to the birth, but what about those who are ambivalent, and may decide that they should have aborted after the child is born? Has abortion impacted on the rise of child abuse and abandonment?; 6.) The existence of late term, and especially partial birth, abortion obliterates any distinction between the unborn child and the neonate, except condition of dependency, and legitimizes infanticide, such as the couple of incidents where middle class girls gave birth at proms and dumped the babies; 7.) The widespread prevalence of abortion threatens to rend the social fabric, given the depth of feeling on both sides, and should not depend on a flawed Supreme Court decision; 8.) Therefore Roe v Wade should be overturned, and the matter should go back to the states, where conservatives should work to enact as many restrictions on abortion as are politically feasible, and ban it if possible, except in instances of rape, incest, or serious health risk...

To: pezz who wrote (50667)	5/31/1999 10:00:00 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 67261

Pezz, you said this was ALL about control. Its not all about control. For instance I can make an argument that self defense is about control? I decide your life is more important than mine when you try to take it and I knock you off. What we are really talking about is a balancing. Balancing the needs of all concerned and not merely for convenience. If you can't see the difference between a rape or incest and abortion because its inconvenient, uneconomical, etc, then there reallly is no need to continue the discussion. We'll have to agree to disagree once again. But, of course you are wrong. <g> JLA