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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (82504)	6/2/1999 2:19:00 PM
From: kapkan4u	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

< Ten - re: You don't understand. It's not a "crippled" Camino. Rather, it's a riser module that plugs into the RIMM slot that let's you use SDRAMs. > Does the addition of the riser module result in higher SDRAM latencies as compared with a SDRAM memory controller? And if it does then "crippled" seems to be an appropriate term. Kap.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (82504)	6/2/1999 3:40:00 PM
From: Cirruslvr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Tench - RE: "You don't understand. It's not a "crippled" Camino. Rather, it's a riser module that plugs into the RIMM slot that let's you use SDRAMs. The Camino chipset is still the same." I was basing what I said (the CCC) on what was written in this article news.com - "The first Rambus chipset from Intel, called Camino, comes out in September. Intel will also release an additional chip with Camino that will allow standard memory to be used." So, since you, Paul, and Tom (http://www6.tomshardware.com/releases/99q2/990601/index.html) think there will be a riser module, that article is wrong, unless I am somehow mis-interpreting what is said. I take back my CCC and change it to CCP (Crippled Camino Platform). I still stick with what I wrote earlier, with the change of CCC to CCP "Doesn't this crippled Camino platform (CCP), which can run SDRAM, completely negate the point of Camino??? Isn't Camino w/RDRAM supposed to be the chip that helps reduce the bottleneck in the system? At Tom's site, Tom has a review (http://www6.tomshardware.com/releases/99q2/990601/index.html) of the Via 133MHz bus-compatible chipset and he says this: "However, since Camino will also bring us AGP4x, offering an AGP-peak-bandwidth of about 1 GB/s, more memory bandwidth is needed to feed AGP 4x properly. The current peak-bandwidth of PC100 SDRAM is just about 800 MB/s, which is even less than the AGP 4x-bandwidth, so that AGP 4x wouldn't make much sense running on a platform based on the current memory technology." So, unless Intel stabs Rambus in the back and gives PC133 the green light, there will be no point of AGP4X w/the CCP. This means that if the CCP comes out with Coppermine and if Intel doesn't go to PC133, the only new thing the semi-REAL PIII (the current one is a place holder, the full Coppermine and Camino is the REAL deal IMO) will bring to the table is the on-chip cache. RDRAM won't be there, AGP4X will be pointless, and the bus will still be 100MHz." RE: "And no, supporting PC133 SDRAM isn't a knife in the back of Rambus, although the "anti-Rambus" establishment like Herr Uberclockermeister will do their very best to make it look that way." If you don't think it is a stab in the back of Rambus, it would be a stab in the back of Micron, whom Intel invested $500,000,000 in (and that other company Intel invested in, but who I don't remember the name. Samsung?). If Intel does support PC133, and supplies are plentiful and cheap as expected, why would OEMs choose to use RDRAM if it costs them more? Sure, they could charge more, but then PIII systems will cost more and customers may purchase the competiton, if the supplies are also adequate there. AND if Intel does support PC133, unless there aren't any more riser cards, OEMS will be able to use as it long as they want, it if they want. Of course, all this talk wouldn't have happened if RDRAM wasn't DELAYED. It must suck to be a Rambus executive. Knowing the future of PCs are going to based on your technology and knowing you get paid for each RIMM made is a great feeling. But the wait would kill me!