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To: mr.mark who wrote (234)	6/3/1999 11:58:00 AM
From: Joe Copia	Respond to of 600

I understand wholeheartedly !

To: mr.mark who wrote (234)	6/3/1999 12:01:00 PM
From: KZAP	Respond to of 600

I understand too. As long as I can keep the computer, phone, electricity and the "basics", I can handle it.

To: mr.mark who wrote (234)	6/3/1999 12:02:00 PM
From: Josef Svejk	Respond to of 600

The man who is born stingy can be taught to give liberally- with his hands; but not with his heart. The man born kind and compassionate can have that disposition crushed down out of sight by embittering experience; but if it were an organ the postmortem would find it in his corpse. --Twain.

To: mr.mark who wrote (234)	6/3/1999 1:38:00 PM
From: CharlieChina	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 600

HARK!!...,as angels shimmer in the distance with soft chamber music flowing... HARK!!...TO HAVE a Kidney...or NOT TO HAVE a Kidney...that is the question.

To: mr.mark who wrote (234)	6/3/1999 3:10:00 PM
From: V.	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 600

mr. mark, Message 9931048 In the above referenced post to me you state, <<that you have chosen to champion this individual's cause when all around you there are people in extreme predicaments is a mystery to me.>> I merely expressed my opinion that regardless of the specifics in this case, the poster appears to be desperate and in need of assistance. I also stated that I did not think that ridiculing or bashing him/her was appropriate if there is any chance that s/he is serious and I believe that to be the case. I find neither of these assertions to be mysterious, but of course, we do not have to agree on that or anything else. Apparently, you have some criteria for an 'extreme predicament' to which I am expected to adhere and if your criteria are not met, then I have no business to 'champion' this cause? If this is your belief, then this is in direct conflict with your statement, "...and quit telling others how they should be behaving and what they should be feeling." You have done exactly what you've accused me of doing. Your argument is therefore illogical. Furthermore, you state: <<how is it that you can step over so many weak and dying, turn your back on so many suffering homeless, eat your generous daily meals when so many are crying for food, spend your money to have your teeth cleaned when basic medical treatment is beyond the reach of so many, drive about in your car, singing with the radio on, while tormented, huddled souls wait in mental hospitals for visitors and love that never arrive?>> I don't recall ever stepping over the weak and dying, turning my back on the homeless, or not providing food for those that are starving, etc. When did I do this? Do tell. You are so completely, utterly, and totally off-base with this obtuse comment that you lost any credibility that you might've had. You have absolutely no clue as to who I am, what I do, whom I help, and so on. You made vast generalizations about me and you have no idea whatsoever as to how I live my life. You wrongly assume that since I have asked the thread to offer some assistance to this individual that I ignore others' plights? You really ought to consider retracting your accusations about me and apologizing but then again, am I telling you how to behave and how to feel or am I simply suggesting some appropriate conduct? <<what about these people? entire populations being persecuted? you're going to let yourself get all weepy about a half-baked incident on the internet? and adopt a smug, judgmental attitude while you're at it?>> Again, you seem very adept at slinging judgements yourself. You are in no position to comment on my 'weepiness' or lack thereof. You know nothing about me. However, your response toward my post would make one consider why you embarked on a proselytization of your beliefs when all I was asking for is a show of compassion and some non-financial assistance from the users. You assert that this is a 'half-baked incident on the internet'. Perhaps I will seek your advice then should I ever run across an incident on the internet or elsewhere which I suspect is 'fully baked'? Would you approve then, mr. mark? Would you try to help then? <<you're preaching.>> So are you. But, that's ok, as we are all free to express our opinions, no? <<just go do your good in life, >> I do. I shall. Thank you for the encouragement. <<and quit telling others how they should be behaving and what they should be feeling.>> Repeat these words as you stare into a mirror. It is good advice. <<i know what goodness i have in me, and what compassion i show for people. and none of it has anything whatsoever to do with having been told to be this way.>> I'm sure you are a kind and compassionate man, mr. mark. You needn't convince me of your virtues or lack thereof. What is a big deal to one person might be trite and even ridiculous to another. Empathy enables people to understand another's feelings whether or not they agree with them. I am suggesting empathy, not sympathy. There is concern, not weeping. <<do you understand this?>> I believe I understand all of this very well. Probably more than you might think. If you care to discuss this further, please feel free to pmail me. I don't plan to carry on this facet of the conversation on the board henceforth. Best Regards, V.

To: mr.mark who wrote (234)	6/3/1999 3:16:00 PM
From: E	Respond to of 600

Mark, "all facets of life" weren't really raised on this thread, though. How could they be? So there was really no opportunity for you (or anyone) to show "what goodness you have in you" in any large, general sense. There was only this one case, of one apparently suffering individual. And of course any time one responds with sympathy to any individual person's anguish, it can be argued that there are plenty of even more unfortunate people around, so that, really, sympathy shouldn't be shown to that single anguished person. And it's true, I guess, that there are so many homeless, and persecuted, and lonely people in this world, and yet we do all keep on doing those routine, selfish things you list -- getting good dentistry, eating our good meals, singing in the car -- that the situation we've seen on this thread demonstrates the foolishness of those who have shown sympathy to this individual, and the superior insight, wisdom and philosophy of those who have mocked him. (And that could be seen as particularly so because his expression of desperation may well be a hoax, and because even if it isn't a hoax, he is behaving in a way we feel is irrational.)