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To: kapkan4u who wrote (60652)	6/5/1999 11:42:00 AM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572987

RE:"Paul, You forgot to mention that on 0.18 the K7 die is 108 to Coppermine's 122. K7 will be ahead of Coppermine in MHz and it's not dependent on Rambus."... Amazing how Paul has selective memory. <G> Kind of like that "non-boot" problem with the K6-2 and Win 95b.

To: kapkan4u who wrote (60652)	6/5/1999 11:51:00 AM
From: Charles R	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1572987

Kap, "You forgot to mention that on 0.18 the K7 die is 108 to Coppermine's 122. K7 will be ahead of Coppermine in MHz and it's not dependent on Rambus." Is this a fair comparison? 122 sq.mm Coppermine has a built-in L2 and 108 sq.mm K7 does not (there is a version of K7 in the works with built-in L2 but I have not come across any die sizes). Unless you are expecting K7 without L2 to be par better with Coppermine with L2. Which is it? Chuck

To: kapkan4u who wrote (60652)	6/6/1999 12:35:00 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572987

Kal Kan - Re: "You forgot to mention that on 0.18 the K7 die is 108 to Coppermine's 122. K7 will be ahead of Coppermine in MHz and it's not dependent on Rambus." Wrong AGAIN ! So Wrong ! The 0.25 micron Pentium /// is 122 sq. mm. The 0.18 micron Coppermine with 256K on-chip L2 cache ALREADY IS 109 sq. mm. Thus, the SLOWER 0.18 micron K7 WITHOUT ANY on-chip L2 cache - and running at 1/3 speed or 1/2 speed off-chip L2 cache - will not only be about the same size as Coppermine, but significantly slower due to the slower off-chip L2 cache. Sorry to be the one to bring REALITY to you, Kal Kan ! Paul