Silicon Investor - NOK at $3.12 or AAPL at $565? Which is a buy?

[sylvester80] Talk about LOSERS... CRAPple longs can't even match the markets, let alone a NOK...

sylvester80 — 2/17/2015 3:14:49 PM

Talk about LOSERS... CRAPple longs can't even match the markets, let alone a NOK or CSIQ... now THAT's what we call the biggest LOSERS... ROTFLMFAO... too funny...

[pcstel] <2 years and 9 months later (Feb 13, 2015) NOK: $8.05 UP +160%, AAPL: $889 up +5...

pcstel — 2/17/2015 12:54:30 PM

<2 years and 9 months later (Feb 13, 2015) NOK: $8.05 UP +160%, AAPL: $889 up +57%. <

And the Tankwatchers infamous "Pig" short call is now $500 underwater....

Ladies and Gentlemen... That as to be the "BLOWN CALL OF THE CENTURY"............

LOL!! And yet those same "tankers" refer to those who have had a return of over 50% in two years...........

LOSERS!!

That kind of BITTERNESS is gonna' eat you up from the inside... there boy!

And so it goes,
PCSTEL

[sylvester80] aapl dynasty ...buy it,no-brainer 2 years and 9 months later (Feb 13, 2015) NOK:...

sylvester80 — 2/16/2015 6:25:30 PM

aapl dynasty ...buy it,no-brainer

2 years and 9 months later (Feb 13, 2015) NOK: $8.05 UP +160%, AAPL: $889 up +57%. Nokia has outperformed POS CRAPple by +103%.... ROTFLMFAO... too funny...

That answers the question: "NOK at $3.12 or AAPL at $565? Which is a buy?".. ANSWER = NOK

CRAPple has proven an underperforming dog. Not even capable to outperform the markets... LMFAO... too funny...

[sinclap] delete.

sinclap — 9/19/2013 1:17:39 AM

[sylvester80] aapl dynasty ...buy it,no-brainer12 months later (May 10th, 2013) NOK: $3.66 UP ...

sylvester80 — 7/4/2013 3:19:41 PM

aapl dynasty ...buy it,no-brainer

12 months later (May 10th, 2013) NOK: $3.66 UP +17.4%, AAPL: $459 DOWN -18.8%

[sylvester80] Neither. 12 months later (May 10th, 2013) NOK: $3.66 UP +17.4%, AAPL: $459 DOWN ...

sylvester80 — 7/4/2013 3:17:31 PM

Neither.

12 months later (May 10th, 2013) NOK: $3.66 UP +17.4%, AAPL: $459 DOWN -18.8%

[sylvester80] 01/24/2013: Nokia at $4.40 UP 40% from $3.12; Apple at $460 DOWN 20% from $565 ...

sylvester80 — 1/24/2013 11:36:38 AM

01/24/2013: Nokia at $4.40 UP 40% from $3.12; Apple at $460 DOWN 20% from $565

OH MY!!!!!.... LMFAO... too funny....

[zax] Don't be bitter. X-D

zax — 1/10/2013 10:18:32 AM

[sylvester80] 12/24/2012: Nokia at $4.00 UP 28% from $3.12 12/24/2012: Apple at $520 DOWN 8% f...

sylvester80 — 12/25/2012 9:18:35 AM

12/24/2012: Nokia at $4.00 UP 28% from $3.12
12/24/2012: Apple at $520 DOWN 8% from $565

A Apple long could have had 28% more profits switching from AAPL to NOK on May 10th, 2012, instead of 8% losses.

[sylvester80] Exactly right... a person would have to have no brains to have purchased CRAPple...

sylvester80 — 12/5/2012 6:21:16 PM

Exactly right... a person would have to have no brains to have purchased CRAPple... LOL

12/5/2012: Nokia at $3.90 UP 25% from $3.12 on 5/10/2012
12/5/2012: Apple at $537 DOWN 5% from $565 on 5/10/2012

[sylvester80] 12/5/2012: Nokia at $3.79 UP 21% from $3.12 12/5/2012: Apple at $548 DOWN 3% fro...

sylvester80 — 12/5/2012 2:06:31 PM

12/5/2012: Nokia at $3.79 UP 21% from $3.12
12/5/2012: Apple at $548 DOWN 3% from $565

[sylvester80] BREAKING..Nokia Oyj's Nokia Siemens Networks In Talks To Sell Business Support S...

sylvester80 — 9/11/2012 7:59:08 AM

BREAKING..Nokia Oyj's Nokia Siemens Networks In Talks To Sell Business Support Systems Unit-The Economic Times
09/11/2012 04:00
stocks.us.reuters.com

[sylvester80] To give an idea to people, what PPS Nokia and Apple need in 12 months for a 20%,...

sylvester80 — 8/26/2012 4:47:11 AM

To give an idea to people, what PPS Nokia and Apple need in 12 months for a 20%, 30%, 40% and 50% gain from the prices of $3.12 and $565 of May 4th, 2012 (the day this board was started) respectively...

+00%: Nokia 3.12, Apple 565
+10%: Nokia 3.43, Apple 622
+20%: Nokia 3.74, Apple 678
+30%: Nokia 4.06, Apple 735
+40%: Nokia 4.37, Apple 791
+50%: Nokia 4.68, Apple 848

[sylvester80] Nokia ask for dealer support as it aims to be “disruptive force” August 3, 2012 ...

sylvester80 — 8/6/2012 6:19:31 PM

Nokia ask for dealer support as it aims to be “disruptive force”
August 3, 2012 | By Surur

wmpoweruser.com

At a Nokia partner conference held recently with 120 Nokia dealers Nokia vice president of Western Europe Conor Pierce asked Nokia’s partners to help the company become a disruptive force in the market.

Pierce said: “We want to become a disruptive force in the market, but not just a reckless force landing something almighty on the market, we need to be very clever about how we do it.

“They are quite strong words, but we are now a challenger brand and we can do things differently.”

He noted that after losing its 10 year phone leadership to Samsung the company was now free to do things differently, and appealed to dealers to get behind its push to once again become the number one player in the smartphone market.

Pierce said Nokia was happy with the progress of Nokia’s new Windows Phone strategy but said sales are not where they should be.

Calling the Nokia Lumia 800 “great start”, he insisted the company could and will do better.

“Almost half of the UK population is aware of Lumia,” he said. “Is it enough? No, it’s not. Do they consider it? Many do. Are they buying? Many do. Do enough people buy? No, they don’t. We’ll continue to drive the awareness and build the consideration through yourselves, retail and call centres.

“We have driven the business, but is it enough? No, it’s not. We’re a big machine, we need big numbers and we’ll get them.

“We have a great portfolio, great partnership with Microsoft and a great start but that won’t make any difference unless we as individuals, and Nokia as a company, do something radically different. It’s about knowing what we need to do and doing it fast, but not recklessly.

Read more at Mobile News here.

[sense] I'll still choose "neither" or "none of the above" for my answer to the question...

sense — 7/17/2012 4:07:33 PM

I'll still choose "neither" or "none of the above" for my answer to the question posed in the list title...

NOK might be a buy at some point... or not... depending.

I'm watching it for hints re the dependencies, fundamentally, and for evidence of trading opportunities in the charts, but, neither the TA nor the fundamentals are giving me much that's useful for picking a bottom, now.

[sense] Marked. Dropped the other one...

sense — 7/17/2012 12:32:20 PM

[sylvester80] Yes.

sylvester80 — 7/17/2012 3:43:36 AM

[sense] This the right one ?

sense — 7/17/2012 3:17:40 AM

[sylvester80] Nokia’s Chairman admits that the company has a contingency plan should Windows P...

sylvester80 — 7/2/2012 2:57:07 AM

Nokia’s Chairman admits that the company has a contingency plan should Windows Phone fail them
CATEGORIES: NOKIA, WINDOWS PHONE
BY: STEFAN CONSTANTINESCU, INTOMOBILE
SUNDAY, JULY 1ST, 2012 AT 10:27 PM
intomobile.com

When Nokia’s executives meet with members of the press there’s always at least one person who builds up the courage to get out of their chair, grab the microphone, and ask the question that dare not be asked: “What happens if the Windows Phone strategy fails?” Stephen Elop, Nokia’s CEO, has repeatedly said: “Plan B is to make sure that Plan A is very successful.”

Last Thursday, during a television interview that aired in Finland, Nokia’s Chairman, Risto Siilasmaa, said something that was probably not meant to leave the company’s cigar smoke filled boardroom. He told the Finnish broadcaster YLE that Nokia definitely has a contingency plan, though he stressed that there’s a lot of confidence in Windows Phone 8.

Does Risto detail what this “contingency plan” is? No, he doesn’t, which means everyone and their mother is going to publish an article postulating what’s going to happen at some point in 2013 if and when Windows Phone fails to break 5% smartphone market share. Speculating never hurt anyone, so let’s dish out our own predictions.

First, Nokia is going to sell their feature phone unit to a rising Chinese handset company. Said Chinese company will be free to use the Nokia brand for a limited time. IBM made the same sort of deal with Lenovo way back in 2004. Second, Nokia Siemens Networks is going to get acquired, probably by Ericsson. Third, we don’t think Microsoft is going to buy Nokia. Microsoft, with Surface, has shown the world that they frankly don’t give a damn about their hardware partners. Instead, Samsung is best positioned to buy Nokia, not just for their design skills, but also for their patents. How many Samsung products have been banned in the United States because of Apple? Exactly.

We’d like to remind you that Nokia posts their Q2 2012 financial results on July 19th. Expect to hear analysts try and squeeze out what this “plan B” is during the conference call. Nokia will fail to provide a definitive answer, but listening to them struggle to say something coherent is always the most fun part of the Q&A session.

[sylvester80] What moron CEO goes with no plan B??? Nokia POS CEO Elop... that's who....So in ...

sylvester80 — 6/25/2012 1:16:03 PM

What moron CEO goes with no plan B??? Nokia POS CEO Elop... that's who....So in Feb 2011, some 2 years before Windows Phone 8 comes out, this POS CEO selected a OS that HE KNEW in 2 years will be replaced and that none of the phones he would release during those 2 years, would work with it... what a complete dumbass... Nokia under POS Elop has become a freaking joke.... you can't make this stuff up...

[sylvester80] No shortage of dire bad news for Nokia. You would think the worst is out but the...

sylvester80 — 6/25/2012 12:58:42 PM

No shortage of dire bad news for Nokia. You would think the worst is out but the fact is the worst is yet to come. And I'm talking about Q2 and Q3 sales, margins, loss and cash burn numbers... all while the Euro is burning....

At $2.15 Nokia is still a $8 billion company... unless some white night appears, given their projected Q2 and Q3 cash burn as well as the costs of all the job losses and factory shut downs in 2012-13, that $8bil market cap can easily be cut in half from here... or more....

[sylvester80] At the rate POS Nokia is falling weekly (net selling, no buying), and given that...

sylvester80 — 6/25/2012 12:38:47 PM

At the rate POS Nokia is falling weekly (net selling, no buying), and given that Q2 and Q3 are dead money (and I will add Q4 as well as WP8 will probably appear mid Q4), missed estimates, massive losses, lost market share, huge cash burn, garbage and dead end products, so unless some white night shows up and buys Nokia's patents at the $500K-$750K per patent rate that Apple and Google bought Motorola's and Nortel's patents, Nokia POS PPS could easily see sub $1 by August... the only saving grace would be Samsung or Google or even Microsoft buying some of the Nokia patent portfolio...

[sylvester80] One fund[graphic] manager with Robeco Group said Nokia's big problem is that t...

sylvester80 — 6/25/2012 12:28:20 PM

One fund manager with Robeco Group said Nokia's big problem is that there's no Plan B.

streetinsider.com

NO SHIT!

[sylvester80] Eric L. banned me from the Nokia board for questioning Elop. Yet, since then, he...

sylvester80 — 6/17/2012 2:43:07 AM

Eric L. banned me from the Nokia board for questioning Elop. Yet, since then, he is posting articles who confirm my thesis that POS Elop needs to be fired as he is freaking clueless and his bad decisions have driving Nokia into junk status with no end in sight as now even Q3 looks like a disaster... when will the BOD hold Elop accountable???

[sylvester80] Nokia TA posted yesterday 11am Nokia bottomed at 2.08 euros. +20% is 2.49 euros...

sylvester80 — 6/12/2012 11:25:57 PM

Nokia TA posted yesterday 11am

Nokia bottomed at 2.08 euros. +20% is 2.49 euros. Guess what it hit Friday? 2.49 euros... 50% fib retrace of the 20% move is 2.28 euros... low today was 2.29... based on the eur/usd of 1.25 as I write this that means 2.28*1.25= $2.85.... there is also a gap open at $2.76 so it's possible that we close it before recovering... as I've said many times before, it needs to break above $3.05 and hold it before it starts the fireworks... JMHO... do your DD...

finance.yahoo.com

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[sylvester80] Despite Yesterday Heavy Fall, Nokia Corporation (NYSE:NOK) Maintains Weekly Gai...

sylvester80 — 6/12/2012 12:56:22 PM

Despite Yesterday Heavy Fall, Nokia Corporation (NYSE:NOK) Maintains Weekly Gains
Posted on June 12, 2012 by Geoff Noir
estocksdaily.com
Nokia Corporation (NYSE:NOK) shares so far in 2012 have plunged the most among large cap tech stocks with a fall of about 38% yesterday but its green performance last week was on top with some of the same stocks, beating popular companies such as Baidu.com, Inc. (NASDAQ:BIDU) and QUALCOMM, Inc. (NASDAQ:QCOM).

Even though the Finnish company trimmed part of last week’s gains yesterday, the stock still finished in the top five for the last five trading sessions.

Friday’s gains for the mobile-phone maker struggling to recover lost market share, were the best this month as shares advanced nearly 7% in heavy volume. The gains were led by speculation of acquisition interest from South Korean competitor Samsung Electronics, according to Reuters.

Analysts played down the likelihood of an offer from Samsung for Nokia, a company that has been quickly losing market share. Ovum analyst Nick Dillon said that Samsung is currently flying and it is difficult to observe what benefit it would gain from acquiring Nokia. Nick Dillon added that any benefit it would gain from Nokia’s patent collection or production plans would likely be outweighed by the complexities of integrating the two companies.

Ben Wood, the leading research analyst at CCS Insight, said he cannot find a rational reason why Samsung would want to takeover Nokia right now. Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ:MSFT) which teamed up with Nokia for its new smartphones, has been seen as the most likely buyer.

Last year the stock sharply declined after a strategy shift in its smartphone business and this year shares fell as consumers snapped up Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) iPhones and smartphones running on Google Inc’s (NASDAQ:GOOG) Android software.

Nokia has lost as much as 70 billion euros or $87 billion in market value since Apple launched the iPhone in 2007, winning the top spot for smartphone innovation. Samsung Electronics Co. surpassed Nokia in the first quarter as the world’s biggest handset maker, according to Gartner Inc. Bo Nordberg, an analyst at Canaccord Genuity Ltd. in London, said that a lot of names have been cited as possible bidders, but it is not particularly convincing.

Last year, Nokia and Siemens AG ended discussions to sell their network-equipment joint venture, Nokia Siemens Networks, to private-equity buyers.

[sylvester80] Report: Nokia Maps replacing Bing Maps in all Windows Phone devices June 12,...

sylvester80 — 6/12/2012 12:37:35 PM

Report: Nokia Maps replacing Bing Maps in all Windows Phone devices
June 12, 2012 — 10:23am ET | By Jason Ankeny
fiercemobilecontent.com
Nokia ( NYSE:NOK) Maps will replace Microsoft's ( NASDAQ:MSFT) own Bing Maps in all devices running the software giant's Windows Phone mobile operating system, according to WPCentral.

Microsoft's forthcoming Windows Phone 8 will initiate the transition from Bing Maps to Nokia Maps, introducing features including 3D navigation and hardware acceleration, WPCentral reports. In February, Microsoft and Nokia announced a unified maps design for both the mobile and desktop versions of Bing and Nokia Maps, indicating designers from both companies collaborated to create a streamlined approach including improved contrast, colors and typography.

Nokia Maps services feature turn-by-turn directions, voice navigation tools and multiple map views like public transport and live traffic. Nokia Maps includes software and services acquired via deals for companies like navigation platform Navteq, 3D urban modeling software developer PixelActive and crowdsourced traffic alert solutions provider Trapster. Last July, Nokia integrated the Navteq unit into its new Location & Commerce business.

Microsoft is expected to unveil Windows Phone 8 during an event scheduled for June 20. WPCentral adds Windows Phone 8 will integrate Skype VoIP services and support for Near Field Communications-based contactless payments.

Nokia introduced its Windows Phone-based Lumia smartphone series in late 2011. Windows-based mobile devices make up just 4 percent of smartphones in the U.S. according to comScore data issued earlier this month.

[sylvester80] As I have been saying for a while now, we need to get over 3.05 for the real fun...

sylvester80 — 6/11/2012 4:38:00 AM

As I have been saying for a while now, we need to get over 3.05 for the real fun to start...

[sylvester80] Euro up on Spain news... trading at 1.264 from a 1.25 close Friday/

sylvester80 — 6/10/2012 11:53:37 PM

[sylvester80] Spain News - If we see a massive Euro rally, we could see a doubly massive NOK r...

sylvester80 — 6/10/2012 9:33:57 AM

Spain News - If we see a massive Euro rally, we could see a doubly massive NOK rocket... like $4+ rocket...

[sylvester80] Nokia Corp.'s (NOK, NOK1V.HE) Lumia 900, powered by Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Wi...

sylvester80 — 6/5/2012 4:43:09 PM

Nokia Corp.'s (NOK, NOK1V.HE) Lumia 900, powered by Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Windows Phone 7 operating system, was the second-best selling smartphone to the Apple Inc. (AAPL) iPhone 4s at AT&T Inc. (T) stores in April and May, Canaccord/Genuity said in a note.

[sylvester80] Make that NOK up 6%... while CRAPple red... $$_$$... LMFAO... too funny...

sylvester80 — 6/5/2012 4:13:13 PM

[sylvester80] NOK up 5%....

sylvester80 — 6/5/2012 2:59:42 PM

[Zen Dollar Round] Here is a link to the new, alternate NOK at $3.12 or AAPL at $565? Which is a b...

Zen Dollar Round — 6/5/2012 12:45:15 PM

Here is a link to the new, alternate NOK at $3.12 or AAPL at $565? Which is a buy?? thread. One free of petty bans.

Enjoy.

[sylvester80] NOK up 4% but don't get excited yet... this "could" be the climb of the wall of ...

sylvester80 — 6/5/2012 11:06:22 AM

NOK up 4% but don't get excited yet... this "could" be the climb of the wall of worry... the real fireworks will happen over $3.05-3.10... anything can happen till then... JMHO... do your DD... disclaimer: Long NOK

[sylvester80] Is English not your first language??? Personal attacks have no place on this ...

sylvester80 — 6/3/2012 4:07:04 PM

Is English not your first language???

Personal attacks have no place on this board.

I tried nicely but it seems personal attacks is all you know, and which will not be allowed and have nothing to do with this board. Have a nice day.

[pcstel] Personal attacks have no place on this board. People who launch personal attack...

pcstel — 6/3/2012 12:27:47 PM

Personal attacks have no place on this board. People who launch personal attacks are also very bitter in one way or another. Talk about NOK and APPL all you want, which this board is about. Have a nice day.

You mean like this??

Message 26646493

<LMAO looking at the Apple fanboy lemmings at the Apple board talk about being banned when those fascist idiots have made their own board the Apple fanboy only board... sheesh... talk about the hypocrisy of it... >

It appears someone has one set of rules for others, but, a different set of rules for themselves¿¿¿¿

Did someone mention the word... Hypocrisy?

And so it goes,
PCSTEL

[sylvester80] Personal attacks have no place on this board. People who launch personal attacks...

sylvester80 — 6/2/2012 12:00:13 AM

[pcstel] Don't be BITTER! PCSTEL

pcstel — 6/1/2012 5:49:47 PM

[pcstel]
pcstel — 6/1/2012 5:43:48 PM
<We all can see who's BITTER...must be cause your CRAPple is down $17... LMFAO... too funny...>

Not my AAPL..

I 5,000 bought AAPL @ $13 in 2002, when they had $9 in cash and $3 in real estate.

Sold it a year later for a 100% gain @$26.

One of those "DOHH!!" moments.... In retrospect..

Now trading at $560 after a split.

No BITTERNESS on my behalf...

You never lose money, by making money... IMO.

Typically, when people are as BITTER as you are, it is very indicative of huge trading losses.

JMO,
PCSTEL

[sylvester80] Sorry dude, but you don't come into somebody's house and piss on it... maybe par...

sylvester80 — 6/1/2012 3:55:42 PM

Sorry dude, but you don't come into somebody's house and piss on it... maybe part of the reason is cause you are pissed that your CRAPple is down $17.. so take a break for a few weeks...

[sylvester80] We all can see who's BITTER...must be cause your CRAPple is down $17... LMFAO......

sylvester80 — 6/1/2012 3:52:22 PM

We all can see who's BITTER...must be cause your CRAPple is down $17... LMFAO... too funny...

BTW, you'll never see me post my AAPL longs... why?? Cause I like for the iSheep to think that I only short CRAPple and my AAPL shorts drive the BITTER iSheep craaaazy... LMFAO... too funny...

[Lahcim Leinad] I wasted WAY too much of my precious time on this planet telling people the dude...

Lahcim Leinad — 6/1/2012 3:22:43 PM

I wasted WAY too much of my precious time on this planet telling people the dude is completely, totally, absolutely full of carp.

Plus, this "ultra rich" dude does not pay up on measly $500 bets. All documented on SI, ad nauseum. Searchable by keyword, whatnot. Don't make me pull up that pathetic story, again!

If this dude really does own upwards of 1.6m shares of NOK, from above $5, and "averaged down" since then, he FULLY deserves the hosing he is getting, to the max!!!

[pcstel] . it is probably dumb but a chart told me to do it... we'll see if the chart wa...

pcstel — 6/1/2012 3:17:27 PM

. it is probably dumb but a chart told me to do it... we'll see if the chart was right...

Hope that is not the same chart that told him to "load up" at $5+, $4+, $3+

Well, I guess it doesn't really matter in a "practice account"..

For someone whom claims to have made so much money off of AAPL on the short side while the stock has gone from $325 to $600, he sure seems "very BITTER"

PCSTEL

[deeno] "only time will tell if the chart was right..." charts are neither right or wr...

deeno — 6/1/2012 10:31:47 AM

"only time will tell if the chart was right..."

charts are neither right or wrong. interperting them is. As an old chartist told me many moons ago, "up is good, down is baaaaad"

Good luck though.

[sylvester80] I'm not worried one bit. My CRAPple profits are a lot bigger than the iSheep kno...

sylvester80 — 6/1/2012 10:14:02 AM

I'm not worried one bit. My CRAPple profits are a lot bigger than the iSheep know... ;)

[Lahcim Leinad] Not to worry. Sipping morning coffee and feeling rather happy with myself. Hav...

Lahcim Leinad — 6/1/2012 9:58:51 AM

Not to worry. Sipping morning coffee and feeling rather happy with myself. Have a stop for AAPL, naturally above where I bought in. And as I already said countless times, if/when NOK starts running, I'll have plenty of time to catch it. Maybe even below where I last sold it.

Best!

[sylvester80] Don't be so quick to congratulate yourself yet... NOK can easily shoot up based ...

sylvester80 — 6/1/2012 9:56:08 AM

Don't be so quick to congratulate yourself yet... NOK can easily shoot up based on my chart... 2.54 or 2.58 or 2.63 means very little if that ends up being the bottom... in the mean time I see AAPL the low $568 down 2% today...

[Lahcim Leinad] Might see that $2.54 sooner rather than later. I mean, pre-market: 2.60 -0.07(-...

Lahcim Leinad — 6/1/2012 8:32:30 AM

Might see that $2.54 sooner rather than later. I mean, pre-market: 2.60 -0.07 (-2.62%).

Sure am happy as a clam I sold where I did, even had the AAPL I got instead not made up for some of that hurt, since then.

[sylvester80] Could be... the chart could go a bit lower (like about $2.54 or so) and still be...

sylvester80 — 6/1/2012 1:08:30 AM

Could be... the chart could go a bit lower (like about $2.54 or so) and still be valid... only time will tell if the chart was right...