This board is a place to discuss the interaction between political influences and energy supply and potential future development. Because climate issues affect the politics of energy that is on topic here. There are other places to talk about specific investment ideas, like Big Dogs BBR but if you want to discuss such things here feel free.
I do realize that political issues can raise passion levels, but let's try to hold down back and forth name calling and personal insults. We don't want to ruin the board for other posters and readers.
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Something different - I'm accepting Eric's challenge to pick a fossil fuel stock to compare over the long term (10 yrs) with TSLA.
I'll pick XOM v TSLA for 10 yrs. XOM is a pretty boring holding (to me), there will surely be lots of stocks that will outperform it over the next decade. OTOH, it's down now from it's previous high and paying a dividend of over 4%, a dividend that has grown at an average annual rate of about 9+% over the past decade. I will insist the dividends received on both stocks will be treated as reinvested.
XOM is at $72.37 right now, TSLA is at $246.60. Using a 100 share vs 30 share count will closely equalize the investments ... letting TSLA have a slight lead starting off.
As suggested by Eric, I'll modify the challenge as follows today - 9/15/15:
30 shares of TSLA 9/11/15 = $7,398
150 shares of SCTY 9/15/15 = $7,260
310 shares of SPWR 9/15/15 = $7,223
150 shares of FSLR 9/15/15 = $7,005
total for 4 alt energy stocks (w/ beginning value of about $7K ea) you mentioned about a year ago = $28,886
4/6/16 value = $28,581 down 1.0%
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100 shares of XOM 9/11/15 = $7,237
230 shares of KMI 9/15/15 = $6,923
150 shares of COP 9/15/15 = $7,127
90 shares of PSX 9/15/15 = $7,146
total for 4 traditional energy stocks (w/ beginning value of about $7K ea) I selected = $28,433
4/6/16 value = $26,628 down 6.4% (share numbers after reinvestment are 102 XOM, 236 KIM, 153 COP, & 92 PSX)
Your alt energy stocks as listed above have a slight lead starting off. I'm not concerned about that. I'll modify the share totals for reinvestment of dividends each quarter as dividends are paid.
We'll start the ten year contest here and I'll keep track of 100 shares of boring old XOM vs 30 shares of that racehorse TSLA - will update here as I feel like it. Share counts to be adjusted as dividends are paid. I hope we and SI are both here in 10 years to see the result.
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Nothing is wrong except I am feeling a bit disenchented with politics and SI. Just in case I get fed up ... I moderate two threads on SI and only if I absent myself from SI for 3 months straight, I'd like to request that moderation of these two threads be turned over to the following persons:
Politics of Energy to Thomas A Watson or whomever he designates and the Hard Look thread to greenspirit or whomever he designates. |
