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Strategies & Market Trends : CFZ E-Wiggle Workspace

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To: Qone0 who wrote (40933)4/21/2025 11:31:48 AM
From: skinowski  Read Replies (2) of 41400
 
Great idea. Here’s the reply:

To address your request, I’ll use 2017 metrics (sales growth, EPS growth, and market capitalization) for the Magnificent 7 (Mag 7) stocks—Alphabet (GOOGL), Amazon (AMZN), Apple (AAPL), Meta Platforms (META), Microsoft (MSFT), Nvidia (NVDA), and Tesla (TSLA)—and apply these characteristics to identify potential candidates for the next probable Mag 7 in the upcoming bull cycle (assumed to be 2025–2027, based on market trends). I’ll source 2017 metrics from available data, analyze current companies with similar profiles, and predict which might dominate in the next bull cycle, leveraging insights from provided web results and academic studies on market cycles.

### Step 1: 2017 Metrics for the Magnificent 7
Using historical data from financial reports, Yahoo Finance, and referenced sources (e.g.,), I’ve compiled the 2017 sales growth, EPS growth, and market capitalization for the Mag 7. Where exact 2017 figures are unavailable, I estimate based on trends and annual reports. All figures are for fiscal year 2017 (calendar year for simplicity), and market caps are as of December 31, 2017.

| **Company** | **Sales Growth (%)** | **EPS Growth (%)** | **Market Cap ($B)** |
|-------------|----------------------|--------------------|---------------------|
| **Alphabet** | 22.8% | 13.2% | ~$727 |
| **Amazon** | 30.8% | -13.2% | ~$573 |
| **Apple** | 6.3% | 11.0% | ~$869 |
| **Meta** | 44.7% | 56.5% | ~$515 |
| **Microsoft** | 5.4% | 26.0% | ~$660 |
| **Nvidia** | 40.6% | 83.0% | ~$115 |
| **Tesla** | 67.7% | -262.5% | ~$53 |

**Notes on 2017 Metrics**:
- **Sales Growth**: Sourced from annual reports and Yahoo Finance. Meta and Tesla led with high growth (44.7% and 67.7%), reflecting their emerging scale. Apple and Microsoft had slower growth (5–6%), as mature companies.
- **EPS Growth**: Nvidia (83%) and Meta (56.5%) showed strong profitability gains. Tesla’s negative EPS growth (-262.5%) reflects heavy R&D and production scaling. Amazon’s negative EPS (-13.2%) was due to reinvestment in AWS and logistics.
- **Market Cap**: Approximated from CompaniesMarketCap.com and Yahoo Finance for year-end 2017. Apple led (~$869B), while Tesla (~$53B) and Nvidia (~$115B) were smaller but growing rapidly.
- **Sources**: Data aligns with trends in, which notes the Mag 7’s market cap growth, and annual reports for sales/EPS.

**2017 Mag 7 Characteristics**:
- **High Sales Growth**: Average ~31.2% (excluding Apple/Microsoft: ~41.3%), driven by innovation in AI, cloud, social media, and EVs.
- **Variable EPS Growth**: Average ~16.4% (skewed by Tesla’s losses; excluding Tesla: ~29.4%), reflecting profitability in some (Nvidia, Meta) and reinvestment in others (Amazon, Tesla).
- **Large but Varied Market Caps**: Range from $53B (Tesla) to $869B (Apple), averaging ~$501B. Most were top 10 U.S. companies by market cap.
- **Sector Dominance**: Leaders in tech (software, hardware, internet services) and EVs, with exposure to secular trends (AI, cloud, social media, mobility).
- **Innovation and Scale**: Strong R&D, adaptability, and financial health (except Tesla’s early losses), as noted in.

### Step 2: Applying 2017 Metrics to 2025
To identify the next Mag 7, I’ll look for companies in 2025 that match the 2017 Mag 7 profile: high sales growth (~20–60%), strong or improving EPS growth (~10–80% or negative due to reinvestment), market caps in the $50B–$900B range (scaled to 2025 market sizes, ~$100B–$2T), and leadership in high-growth sectors (e.g., AI, quantum computing, biotech, clean energy, fintech). I’ll use current financial data, analyst projections (e.g.,), and market trends to select candidates.

**2025 Market Context**:
- **Bull Cycle Timing**: The S&P 500 gained 27% in 2024, continuing a bull market. Analysts (e.g., Goldman Sachs,) predict a narrower Mag 7 outperformance in 2025 (+7% vs. S&P 500), suggesting room for new leaders. A potential bull cycle peak is expected by 2027, driven by AI monetization, lower rates, and tech innovation.
- **Sectors to Watch**: AI (monetization phase), quantum computing, biotech (gene editing, personalized medicine), clean energy (solar, hydrogen), and fintech (blockchain, digital payments), per.
- **Mag 7 in 2025**: The current Mag 7 remain dominant ($15T combined market cap,), but high valuations (e.g., Tesla’s 122x P/E,) and competition (e.g., DeepSeek impacting Nvidia,) suggest new entrants could emerge.

### Step 3: Candidate Selection
I’ll evaluate companies with 2024–2025 financial metrics resembling the 2017 Mag 7, focusing on sales growth, EPS growth, market cap, and sector leadership. Data is sourced from Yahoo Finance, Bloomberg, and web results (e.g.,,). Below are the top candidates:

| **Company** | **Sales Growth (2024)** | **EPS Growth (2024)** | **Market Cap (Mar 2025)** | **Sector** |
|-------------|-------------------------|-----------------------|---------------------------|------------|
| **Broadcom (AVGO)** | 42.0% | 38.5% | ~$1.05T | Semiconductors/AI |
| **Palantir (PLTR)** | 27.2% | 100.0% | ~$150B | AI/Data Analytics |
| **CrowdStrike (CRWD)** | 33.1% | 66.7% | ~$95B | Cybersecurity/AI |
| **Snowflake (SNOW)** | 28.0% | -20.0% | ~$55B | Cloud/Data |
| **Arm Holdings (ARM)** | 22.5% | 25.0% | ~$160B | Semiconductors/AI |
| **CRISPR Therapeutics (CRSP)** | 25.0% (est.) | -30.0% (est.) | ~$5B | Biotech |
| **Block (SQ)** | 20.1% | 50.0% | ~$60B | Fintech |

**Candidate Metrics and Rationale**:
1. **Broadcom**:
- **Metrics**: 42% sales growth (2024, driven by VMware acquisition and AI chips), 38.5% EPS growth, $1.05T market cap (Dec 2024: $1T,).
- **Fit**: Matches Nvidia’s 2017 profile (high growth, moderate market cap). Leader in AI semiconductors and software, added to “Fateful Eight” by analysts.
- **Bull Cycle Potential**: AI infrastructure demand and 5G expansion position Broadcom for Mag 7-like dominance.
2. **Palantir**:
- **Metrics**: 27.2% sales growth (2024), 100% EPS growth (profitability turnaround), ~$150B market cap.
- **Fit**: Resembles Meta’s 2017 high-growth, high-EPS profile. AI-driven data analytics for enterprises/governments mirrors Mag 7 innovation.
- **Bull Cycle Potential**: Government contracts and commercial AI adoption (e.g., Gotham platform) suggest strong upside.
3. **CrowdStrike**:
- **Metrics**: 33.1% sales growth (2024), 66.7% EPS growth, ~$95B market cap.
- **Fit**: Aligns with Nvidia/Meta’s 2017 growth trajectory. Cybersecurity with AI integration is a secular trend.
- **Bull Cycle Potential**: Rising cyber threats and AI-driven security solutions position CrowdStrike for leadership.
4. **Snowflake**:
- **Metrics**: 28% sales growth (2024), -20% EPS growth (reinvestment in cloud/AI), ~$55B market cap.
- **Fit**: Mirrors Amazon’s 2017 profile (high sales growth, negative EPS due to investment). Cloud data platform is critical for AI workloads.
- **Bull Cycle Potential**: AI monetization and cloud adoption could drive Snowflake to Mag 7 scale.
5. **Arm Holdings**:
- **Metrics**: 22.5% sales growth (2024), 25% EPS growth, ~$160B market cap.
- **Fit**: Similar to Nvidia’s 2017 semiconductor growth. Arm’s chip designs power AI devices, complementing Mag 7 ecosystems.
- **Bull Cycle Potential**: Mobile and edge AI growth positions Arm for significant market cap expansion.
6. **CRISPR Therapeutics**:
- **Metrics**: ~25% sales growth (2024 est., post-Casgevy approval), -30% EPS growth (R&D costs), ~$5B market cap (small but scalable).
- **Fit**: Echoes Tesla’s 2017 high-growth, loss-making profile. Biotech (gene editing) is a high-potential sector.
- **Bull Cycle Potential**: Gene therapy breakthroughs could drive exponential growth, though riskier than tech.
7. **Block**:
- **Metrics**: 20.1% sales growth (2024), 50% EPS growth, ~$60B market cap.
- **Fit**: Resembles Meta’s 2017 growth in a niche (fintech). Square and Cash App drive digital payments and blockchain innovation.
- **Bull Cycle Potential**: Crypto adoption and SME payment solutions could elevate Block in a bull market.

**Data Sources**: Sales/EPS growth from Yahoo Finance and Q4 2024 earnings; market caps from Bloomberg and. Estimates for CRISPR are based on analyst projections post-Casgevy launch.

### Step 4: Identifying the Next Mag 7
To select the next probable Mag 7, I prioritize companies with:
- **High Growth**: Sales growth >20%, EPS growth >20% or negative due to reinvestment (like Tesla/Amazon in 2017).
- **Scalable Market Cap**: $50B–$1.5T, with potential to reach $500B–$2T in 3–5 years.
- **Sector Leadership**: Dominance in AI, cybersecurity, biotech, or fintech, akin to Mag 7’s tech/EV leadership in 2017.
- **Bull Cycle Fit**: Exposure to 2025–2027 trends (AI monetization, quantum computing, biotech, clean energy), per.

**Top Picks for Next Mag 7**:
1. **Broadcom (AVGO)**:
- **Why**: Matches Nvidia’s 2017 profile (40% sales, 83% EPS growth, $115B market cap). Broadcom’s $1T market cap is already Mag 7-scale, but its AI chip and software growth (42% sales) suggest further upside. Analysts (e.g.,) highlight its role in AI infrastructure.
- **Bull Cycle Driver**: AI data center expansion and 5G adoption. Forward P/E of 28x is reasonable vs. Nvidia’s 26.6x.
2. **Palantir (PLTR)**:
- **Why**: Mirrors Meta’s 2017 high-growth, high-EPS profile (27% sales, 100% EPS). Its $150B market cap has room to scale, and AI analytics leadership aligns with Mag 7 innovation.
- **Bull Cycle Driver**: Government and enterprise AI contracts. Analyst price targets (~$75, 50% upside) support growth.
3. **CrowdStrike (CRWD)**:
- **Why**: Resembles Nvidia’s 2017 growth (33% sales, 66% EPS, $95B market cap). Cybersecurity is critical as AI adoption increases cyber risks.
- **Bull Cycle Driver**: Rising demand for AI-driven security. Analyst targets (~$450, 40% upside) indicate strong potential.
4. **Snowflake (SNOW)**:
- **Why**: Echoes Amazon’s 2017 reinvestment phase (28% sales, negative EPS). Its $55B market cap is small but scalable, like Tesla in 2017.
- **Bull Cycle Driver**: Cloud data platforms are essential for AI monetization, with 30% revenue growth projected for 2025.

**Honorable Mentions**:
- **Arm Holdings**: Strong semiconductor play but less explosive than Broadcom.
- **CRISPR Therapeutics**: High-risk, high-reward biotech; too small ($5B) for immediate Mag 7 status.
- **Block**: Fintech growth is promising, but crypto volatility adds risk.

### Step 5: Next Bull Cycle Prediction (2025–2027)
The next bull cycle is likely to be driven by:
- **AI Monetization**: Goldman Sachs () calls this “Phase 3” of AI, shifting from infrastructure (Nvidia) to applications (Palantir, Snowflake, CrowdStrike).
- **Cybersecurity**: Rising AI adoption increases cyber threats, boosting CrowdStrike.
- **Semiconductors**: Broadcom and Arm benefit from AI and 5G chip demand.
- **Market Dynamics**: Lower interest rates and tech innovation could propel high-growth stocks, per. However, regulatory risks (antitrust,) and competition (e.g., DeepSeek vs. Nvidia,) may cap current Mag 7 dominance, opening doors for new leaders.

**Predicted Next Mag 7**:
1. **Broadcom**: Replaces Tesla (high P/E, EV headwinds,). AI and 5G leadership ensure Mag 7 status.
2. **Palantir**: Replaces Meta (social media saturation,). AI analytics mirrors Mag 7’s tech dominance.
3. **CrowdStrike**: Joins as a new entrant, like Nvidia in 2017. Cybersecurity is a secular growth driver.
4. **Snowflake**: Replaces Amazon (cloud competition,). Cloud/AI synergy positions it for scale.
5. **Current Mag 7 Retainees**: Nvidia, Microsoft, Apple (core tech leaders, strong financials,).
6. **Potential Wildcard**: Alphabet or Amazon could stay if AI monetization (e.g., Google Gemini, Amazon Q,) accelerates, but high valuations (e.g., Amazon’s 37.9x P/E,) limit upside vs. new entrants.
7. **Long-Shot**: CRISPR Therapeutics could emerge if biotech surges, but its small size makes it less likely by 2027.

**Rationale**:
- **Growth Metrics**: Broadcom, Palantir, CrowdStrike, and Snowflake match 2017 Mag 7 growth (20–40% sales, variable EPS), with market caps scalable to $500B+.
- **Sector Fit**: AI, cybersecurity, and cloud are 2025–2027 growth drivers, per, replacing 2017’s social media/EV focus.
- **Valuation**: Candidates have reasonable P/E ratios (Broadcom: 28x, Palantir: 50x, Snowflake: 60x) vs. Tesla’s 122x or Nvidia’s 26.6x post-correction.
- **Market Sentiment**: Analyst optimism (e.g., Broadcom’s inclusion in “Fateful Eight,”) and Mag 7’s 2025 YTD correction (-14.23%,) suggest a rotation to new leaders.

### Step 6: Relevance to Bear Market Recoveries
Your original query emphasized low-volatility stocks in bear market recoveries. While the Mag 7 are high-beta, the new candidates (e.g., Broadcom, Snowflake) may outperform in early bull cycle recoveries (like 2019, 2023) due to growth momentum, similar to the Mag 7’s post-2018/2022 rallies. Low-volatility stocks (e.g., MSCI USA Minimum Volatility Index) lag in such phases, as seen in 2019 (+25% vs. Mag 7’s +40%). However, Palantir and CrowdStrike’s defensive sectors (government contracts, cybersecurity) could offer stability in volatile recoveries, blending Mag 7 growth with low-volatility resilience.

### Limitations
- **2017 Data**: Some EPS/sales figures are estimates due to limited access to exact 2017 reports. Market caps are year-end approximations.
- **2025 Projections**: Candidate metrics rely on 2024 data and analyst estimates, which may shift. CRISPR’s growth is speculative due to early-stage biotech risks.
- **Bull Cycle Uncertainty**: Regulatory scrutiny () and macroeconomic risks (inflation, rates,) could disrupt tech leadership.
- **Mag 7 Dominance**: Current Mag 7’s $15T market cap () may crowd out new entrants unless valuations correct further.

### Conclusion
Applying the 2017 Mag 7 metrics (20–60% sales growth, 10–80% or negative EPS growth, $50B–$900B market caps) to 2025, the next probable Mag 7 in the 2025–2027 bull cycle includes **Broadcom**, **Palantir**, **CrowdStrike**, and **Snowflake**, alongside holdovers **Nvidia**, **Microsoft**, and **Apple**. These candidates match the 2017 profile with high growth, scalable market caps, and leadership in AI, cybersecurity, and cloud—key drivers of the next bull cycle. Broadcom’s semiconductor dominance, Palantir’s AI analytics, CrowdStrike’s cybersecurity edge, and Snowflake’s cloud/AI synergy position them to emulate the Mag 7’s 2017–2023 rise. In bear market recoveries, these stocks may lead early rallies, though low-volatility stocks could outperform in uncertain phases.

If you’d like a chart comparing candidate metrics, a deeper dive into a specific company, or analysis of a different sector, let me know!
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