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To: Process Boy who wrote (82961)	6/7/1999 2:26:00 AM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 186894

PB - re: "I wonder...maybe there is something to TSMC, Hitachi, Intel, saying that Cu wasn't ready for .18. Hmmmm." Nope. AMD is ramping their Dresden Fab with Copper 0.18 micron K7's that are faster than grease on a hot skillet. Paul

To: Process Boy who wrote (82961)	6/7/1999 2:31:00 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

PB & Intel Investors - Timna PC-On-A-Chip at 667 MHz ? The following article mentions that Timna may appear at 667 MHz next year - built on the 0.18 micron process. Glaskowsky said he expects the Timna core to run at about 667 MHz, integrating a 300-megapixel rendering core named Capitola, which is expected to ship in the third quarter of this year as a stand-alone product. This is pretty fast ! Especially if it contains complete on-chip graphics, chip set functions, and RAMBUS MEMORY Controller - and 128K Bytes of L2 cache to BOOT ! I'll bet SCUMbria reminds us that it is only a Pentium III/P6 core ! Paul {================================} techweb.com June 07, 1999, Issue: 1163 Section: News Intel's Timna: One size fits all? Mark Hachman and Sandy Chen "Timna" may not have been the wisest name for Intel Corp.'s first integrated microprocessor. The successor to a low-end version of Intel's "Coppermine" microprocessor, the Timna will appear in the third quarter of 2000, integrating what sources believe to be a Pentium III core, 128 Kbytes of level 2 cache, a 3D graphics core, and an integrated interface to Direct Rambus memory, all on a single die. According to legend, the Timna Valley in Israel housed-what else?-the fabulous copper mines of King Solomon, a man famous for his wisdom. But analysts were the ones counseling OEMs to contemplate the implications of committing to both Intel's graphics core and the Direct Rambus interface, two critical and especially controversial PC components. "All of your major design decisions will have been made for you, and all Timna machines will look the same," said Peter Glaskowsky, an analyst with MicroDesign Resources in Sunnyvale, Calif. "Sure, the case may look different ... but it inherently eliminates the differential between machines." Buying the Timna's Direct Rambus interface and Intel's graphics core-the latter never known for its outstanding performance-is thus a political decision, analysts said. On the other hand, Intel's low-end integration strategy didn't allow much choice, they added. What is clear is that the Timna represents the future of Intel's low-cost Celeron platform. The chip's speeds have not been defined, but the Timna will ship only in a 370-pin PGA socket, and will be a follow-on to a 370-pin version of the Coppermine with 128 Kbytes of L2 cache, scheduled to debut in the first quarter of next year at speeds above 500 MHz. According to confidential briefings held by Intel with some of its customers, both the low-end Coppermine and the Timna will use a 100-MHz processor bus, but one source said a 133-MHz bus interface has not been ruled out. Sources said they do not know the speed of the Timna's Direct Rambus interface; 600-, 700-, and 800-MHz Direct Rambus chips will be available when the Timna is introduced. Glaskowsky said he expects the Timna core to run at about 667 MHz, integrating a 300-megapixel rendering core named Capitola, which is expected to ship in the third quarter of this year as a stand-alone product. Copyright ® 1999 CMP Media Inc.

To: Process Boy who wrote (82961)	6/7/1999 11:00:00 AM
From: Tony Viola	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

PB, I wonder...maybe there is something to TSMC, Hitachi, Intel, saying that Cu wasn't ready for .18. Hmmmm. FWIW, albeit not in the desktop/NT workstation realm type of CPU chips, for a fact IBM is shipping System 390s based on copper 0.18 technology chips. Having said that, the CPU chips in those machines are peers with Intel CPUs wrt density, speed, logic type function, etc. In other words, they are the real McCoy. So, copper is here, at least at IBM. If the Motorola SNAFU is copper, any effect on AMD? Didn't Intel put off copper until 0.13 because they thought they'd get more bang for their buck in improving the basic transistor performance and K dielectrics (out of my league here)? Tony