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To: David Lawrence who wrote (5931)	6/17/1999 11:59:00 PM
From: Tom_	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32910

Re solicitation. Please try not to put words into another person's mouth. You are absolutely correct, it is not a banner ad. You are also, I would guess, not a lawyer. You are most certainly not polite. Tom

To: David Lawrence who wrote (5931)	6/18/1999
From: KZAP	Respond to of 32910

<<<<<There is some anxiety towards the notion that this is a prelude to invasion. Don't they deserve the benefit of the doubt, especially from the "grandfathered" users?>>>>> Where will it stop? Will SI "find" reasons to boot "grandfathered" users? Seems more are being booted for less. JMO How many SI users are "Life time" members? Enough for a class action should our "rights" be denied? Just a few thoughts. SI is a great site, but RB is looking better every day. JMO KZAP

To: David Lawrence who wrote (5931)	6/18/1999 12:02:00 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32910

Don't they deserve the benefit of the doubt, especially from the "grandfathered" users? Watch out for Appeasement. Watch out for Gradualism. Will all those who believe that if SI gets away with this it will be the only advertising that will ever appear on SI please send me $100 for our guaranteed genuine deed to the Empire State Building? [P.S. I really CAN produce legally binding, legally valid deeds to the Empire State Building. If you send me $100 and what I provide back is not a legally binding, legally valid deed, I will refund ten times your money.]

To: David Lawrence who wrote (5931)	6/18/1999 12:06:00 AM
From: Razorbak	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32910

Don't they deserve the benefit of the doubt, especially from the "grandfathered" users? Not when they've already started down that slippery slope. "I am in a duel to the death with this wallpaper, one of us has got to go." -- Quote from Oscar Wilde on his death bed in a cheap Paris hotel, one month before he died on the same bed. Ditto for me, and probably others of the "grandfathered" persuasion, too. JMVHO. Razor

To: David Lawrence who wrote (5931)	6/18/1999 12:54:00 AM
From: Gary Korn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 32910

Is there really any harm being done here? It seems to me that the spirit of Brad's earlier comments is being upheld It doesn't seem to me that the spirit it being upheld at all. Rather, and maybe because I'm a lawyer and understand the meaning of written commitments, I view the Datek insertion as a blatant breach of contract. That the download time is 5/100th of a second does not change the fact that the commitment not to place any "form of solicitation" has been breached. That the color of the solicitation is unobtrusive does not change the fact that the commitment not to place any "form of solicitation" has been breached. That only a few characters have been placed on an otherwise unused portion of a page does not change the fact that the commitment not to place any "form of solicitation" has been breached. A commitment, indeed, a contract was made. I relied on that commitment. Indeed, I paid good money in return for that contract. That it is now convenient -- and lucrative -- for the people that now own SI to renege on their commitment does not make it any the less egregious. Finally, if we who contracted with SI to obtain a solicitation-free investment forum don't object to this first violation, who knows what breaches (i.e., other sorts of solicitations) that we will be deemed to have waived in the future. Gary Korn