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To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (40768)	6/18/1999 9:21:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

>>>>>I contend that the concept of God logically requires one to believe in a supernatural being -- one that is capable of suspending the laws of the universe through its own volition.<<<<< Why? Do we even know what the "laws of the universe" are?

To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (40768)	6/18/1999 9:22:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Respond to of 108807

I am CRUSHED; I thought you meant hydride. At least that one is a trinity.

To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (40768)	6/18/1999 9:47:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Joan, I think the best way to deal with your objections is to start with logical issues. Why even try to apply logic to God, any more than you would try to apply logic to understand a painting, or a symphony, or a sunset. That's why you have such trouble with God. You have made logic your religion and scientific method your creed. Whatever doesn't fit, you reject. This is precisely the same thing that fundamentalist religionists of whatever stripe (Christian, Moslem, Jewish, etc.) do. They set up their belief structures and creeds, and whatever doesn't fit is rejected. I don't know about Joan, but I'm simply not interested in trying to view God through the limitations of the human construct of logic.

To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (40768)	6/18/1999 10:01:00 PM
From: jbe	Respond to of 108807

To paraphrase Hamlet: "There are more concepts of God in heaven and earth, Chuzzlewit, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." I apparently will have to keep stressing that I personally am an agnostic; that I am a Doubting Thomas; that I cannot accept anything without proof; that I cannot believe something is true just because it makes me feel good, etc., etc. At the same time, I know that there are concepts of God out there that are far more sophisticated than you allow. (Some of them even proposed by -- gasp!! -- scientists!) And who said anything about pantheism? (As I recall, Spinoza was not involved in this discussion. <g>) Joan P.S. Did you ever read Paul Davies' "The Mind of God"? It is devoted to what Davies (whose last position was as Chair of Mathematical Physics at the University of Adelaide) calls the "ongoing dialogue between science and theology." If not, and if you are curious, check out the lecture he gave on receiving the Templeton Prize ("Physics and the Mind of God"); origins.org