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To: long-gone who wrote (35811)	6/24/1999 11:10:00 AM
From: Jim S	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116764

...today I'm not taxed directly by the UN, That is taxation without representation... It seems to me that is the least of the worries of any form of UN taxation. So long as the UN is funded by more or less voluntary contributions from member states, it is what it was intended to be; a forum to discuss and work out differences among nations. Once it has the power to tax, though, it also has the power to rule. And I don't like that idea at all. jim

To: long-gone who wrote (35811)	6/24/1999 11:31:00 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116764

On the other topics, I'm almost set to agree, we need govt out of gold, as this behind the scenes fixing sucks. The quandary the gold sector faces is that without gov't intervention in the gold sector, and perpetuating the myth that gold is currency, gold will trade on its commodity status for jewelry and electro-plating... etc. It would also lose those gov't subsidies like Jesse Helms is unwittingly(?) advocating for the S. African gold industry. Afterall, were it not for the gov't treating gold like currency, productive assets could be reallocated towards more productive and economically beneficial purposes. There is very little productive benefit to mining tons of gold only to mint it into coinage or warehouse it. Regards, Ron

To: long-gone who wrote (35811)	6/24/1999 9:27:00 PM
From: James F. Hopkins	Respond to of 116764

Well on the UN thingy , it's never going to work like most people think it should, it can't. Still it's something we need even if it only works half arsed. For all of it's short comings , and ineffectiveness it's never going to be the right wrench for any one job, it's like the old knuckle breaking money wrench , but I doubt we ever can find a right wrench, something is better than not having any thing at all. ON top of that if it ever get as good at keeping the peace as most think it must do then for sure we have a police state. The most important thing it has done for the world, lives but is commended by it's nature to obscurity, as its hard to pin down and measure "when" the pressure was so intense that with out the forum of the UN being there an acting like pressure relief valve; I would not be typing this or you reading it. Of taht I am certain. We came to the brink of total Global destruction more than any official is comfortable to admit, and closer than many of them have brains to figure out. There was some luck too, but with out the UN I'm sure this world would still be digging out with half the population gone the other half suffering radiation sickness. ( at best ) AS we really did do some extremely stupid stuff with the nukes, very very stupid. The UN with all it's faults gave us some time, and let some luck have a chance to work. It is more than any thing else a pressure relief valve, I don't know how to put a price on it but I know with out it we wouldn't be here. --------------- As for funding it , I don't want it to collect taxes, but it could receive funds via the money swap tax, and in a way it would then be funded the most by the ones who get the most benefit out of it's existence the "money monkeys" as I call them. Anyway we pay for it as it is, and the way it's being funded now is stupid. It still comes from tax money..just the money monkeys have every one else paying for it but them. Jim It will never be "right" or suit any majority, hell very few forms of any government or bureaucracy can measure up to that, "IF ANY" they are just there and hopefully manage to mitigate problems enough that people with better minds and hearts can have the time to find a better way to resolve all the conflicts of interest we are confronted with.