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To: VAUGHN who wrote (3795)6/25/1999 3:35:00 PM
From: Shaw  Respond to of 7235
 
Phew!!!! That was a long one, Vaughn!

A lot of valid points, as well.

I worked in the mining sector for a few years and was always badgered by people because my companies didn't have assets in Indonesia, Chile, Mars or some other far away "sexy" place. My response was always: Canada is an excellent place to do the business of mining. I still (and now the market seems to agree) believe that this true. However, I also believe that this is a cyclical thing and people won't care where anything is located in the near future as long as a bankable feasibility study and/or profitable current production are (is) verified.

Changing the company's exploration doctrine in mid-stream (ie changing $$ targeted for the NWT, RSA or Brazil) to take advantage of current market sentiment, is IMO, not really that productive.

Time will tell, but my gut tells me we are stuck with this languishing SUF market for awhile and I will take every opportunity to sell on spikes and buy on dips with the hope of lowering my average cost.

Regards,

Dean



To: VAUGHN who wrote (3795)6/25/1999 5:21:00 PM
From: Confluence  Respond to of 7235
 
Hello Vaughn,

I bow to your determination to get your point across.

Thank you for the greater detail so that I might better understand your meaning.

Thank you for directing your concerns to SUF and CJ, as they are the more appropriate respondees to your concerns.

I hope that you're able to make the AGM next year, or have some type of regular forum with SUF to discuss your concerns.

I must say, I chuckled when I read the line "a graphic simplification for the purposes of brevity" in part of your response (3rd paragraph, page 102). ;-)

I'm still going to disagree with many of your concerns, however, with the stock at $5.00 all efforts must be made by SUF to increase shareholder value.

A few points that I feel need comments:

1. When SUF has material information they are required, by securities regulation, to release it. I will assume that they abide by the law, and act accordingly. If they should choose not to report any other information, I will assume that they have a good and proper reason (competition?) not to.

2. SUF has spent a tremendous amount of dollars in the NWT, found over 50 kimberlites, many diamondiferous, but none economic yet. They have also spent much human capital, in the time of their talented explorationists, like CJ and HB. If they deem exploration at RSA, Brazil or Camafuca more important than NWT, I agree with them. If you do not, then talk with them. If still unsatisfied, then make your investment decision.

3. SouthernEra was not unilaterally stripped of 60% of Marsfontein. It might feel like that, and SUF ended up with 40%, but at one point last May/June, SUF had 0% of Marsfontein. Clearly, legal manouevring by De Beers, or the "heirs", outwitted the combined forces of Randgold and SUF. The law has been changed so that this will not happen again. Only the strong efforts by Dr. and Mrs. Jennings, the intense lobbying of many shareholders, the great help of Mr. Patrick Evans (former RSA Consul General in RSA, now a director) and the goodwill of the RSA government to right an obvious wrong forced De Beers to concede the 40% to SUF, in return for marketing rights.

It is crucial that shareholders understand that those in power in RSA know that SUF was wronged, know that SUF has provided many jobs in a depressed area, know that SUF is capable of providing more and more employment thru the quick move into production of non-producing assets (Klipsringer, Marsfontein, Messina), etc. IMHO, this will not go unrewarded in the future.

4. Trading in SUF's stock has been dominated since January by the large volume crosses orchestrated by First Mary (to the benefit of their buyer, and detriment of SUF shareholders), the occasional buying from TD, and a few annoying sellers who appear from time to time (like #26 on Wed/Thurs, and #22 today). Not that I'm defending the present share price, but to pick one bad day of illiquid trading, on the day that Aber is rumoured to be taken over by Franco, isn't quite fair, nor is your comment about assets. The market is about fear and greed, with greed in ABZ and fear on behalf of the fool trader at TK.

5. Your comments about "ownership assured assets" is a concern I've only heard from you. While I'd rather that Camafuca was in northern Quebec, I'm not sure how you can quantify this. Before Bre-X was ID'd as a scam, many people were unconcerned about owning an asset in such a corrupt country (Inco operates a nickle mine in Indonesia, called PT Indo, I think). LB told me a few weeks back that a large diamondiferous pipe has produced over 1 million carats of lovely Angolan diamonds, about 100kms north of Camafuca. Maybe, and this is the view of many South Africans, Canadians just don't understand diamond mining when it isn't as simple as "we have a really big pile of rocks with diamonds that we can get out cheaply". Maybe delisting from the TSE and listing on the JSE would be beneficial to shareholders.

5. My comment about the natives was a reference to a recent statement by one of the chiefs up there that "No New Mines" would be built. It was on an internet news service, the name of which escapes me now.

6. Good comments about RXD. Possibly a excellent shorting candidate right now if you can find stock to borrow.

7. As I stated above, SUF, like any other public company, is required only to release material information. Work product, or the internal stuff they do, is proprietary, and I am glad they hold on to it. What other company displays its internal workings? Microsoft? Barrick? (Note that if Barrick had told anyone that Bre-X had no gold, which they knew about three months before Freeport, much economic damage could have been averted)

8. You implied that I favoured a buyback of SUF stock. While I think this might be beneficial to shareholders, that was not what I meant. My point was that on days when someone is obviously selling, or wants to sell stock in a fashion that is a detriment to shareholders, SUF mgmt should pick up the phone and call anyone and everyone they can to encourage buying to offset the selling pressure. SUF should have some type of plan in effect so that 10% declines on 13,000 shares don't happen. It is irresponsible of them not to have some type of contingency plan to protect shareholders.

9. If I was told anything by SUF mgmt, or for that matter by Bill Gates or Ronald Reagan, it was because I asked them. Before you get too upset at my understanding of what I heard (I'm not always right, as I've ridden SUF from 20 to 5), CALL THE COMPANY. For Gosh sakes, I could be making this crap up. How do you know I'm not trying to set up a great short?

10. You made a point about "your way of thinking". This is correct. You have your thoughts, I mine, everyone else their own. I would suggest that all do their own thinking, find out where their personal reality lies, and then vote (buy or sell) accordingly.

That is all, and probably way too much on this subject.
Time for one or four beers!

Have a great weekend!

Confluence,
soon to be under the influence



To: VAUGHN who wrote (3795)6/25/1999 9:28:00 PM
From: paul centis  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 7235
 
Concerning MPV, I suggest you call Jan Vandersande (1-800-220-1943) to make sure your facts are correct! MPV is carried to production by Debeers! It will incur no added dilution!
Regards!



To: VAUGHN who wrote (3795)6/25/1999 10:29:00 PM
From: Diamond Daze  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7235
 
Hi Vaughn,
I will be getting my facts together early next week.
Brazil is one of the top diamond producers in the world. I know of one German outfit working within 100 kilometers of CNB producing alluvial diamonds. I also have some papers at work published by Gurney that goes into Brazilian production a bit...
<<the market is also well aware that to date, it has simply proven uneconomic for any company to mine diamonds in Brazil. No alluvial or hard rock diamond mining operation to the best of my knowledge has ever proved profitable. I am not saying that one won't be, but the market will not get excited by our Brazilian assets until these issues can be put to rest, and that will take years.>>
This statement is simply incorrect.
I will get the information and be posting it here next week.....DD



To: VAUGHN who wrote (3795)6/27/1999 11:53:00 AM
From: George J. Tromp  Respond to of 7235
 
That was quite a post Vaughn, in specific reference to your comments concerning Rex Diamond

If I may, I would suggest that RXD's blue sky is in Mauratania rather than Sierra Leone, the former country having demonstrated a long history of peace, pro-investment policies, safety of tenure and rule of law, the latter, quite the opposite. In addition, the President of RXD has been buying up company shares to support the price and a DiaMet/Ashton joint venture leant credibility to the play, by their announcement to pursue exploration last month.

I have a few comments to add:
Rex Diamond has something which no current NWT diamond company can offer, that is vertical integration, which can add substantially to the margins of any production decision. Diamet ventures into Mauritania was predicated on Rexs discovery of commercial sized diamonds, I might add that only after that discovery did Diamet take notice. BTW Dr. Rombouts work in worldwide diamond evaluation and exploration does not need a boost by NWT diamond explorers stamp of approval, after all Dr. Rombouts has probably evaluated more deposits in the last ten years, than any single diamond evaluator worldwide.
An important fact to remember with REX Diamond is no JV entanglements, guess the Aber Winspear fiasco sort of magnifies that point, eh.
Regards
George



To: VAUGHN who wrote (3795)6/28/1999 12:36:00 AM
From: Blue  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 7235
 
Vaughn, you have been a sincere follower of the NWT diamond scene but I must respectfully disagree with both your tone and your analysis.

Basically, you've written a lot of words. No number of words can make SUF's NWT properties become economic by themselves. More drilling may be the answer but please admit that it may not be.

You cite WSP as some kind of evidence of something. It isn't evidence of anything. I happen to believe WSP is overvalued.

In the market probably the best thing to do if you are that disgruntled or misunderstand the fundamental value of what you own is to sell, and many have taken this course. Unfortunate for owners of the shares to be forced with economic hardship due to the market's lack of confidence in the 'third world' of South African diamonds, but those buying the shares at these depressed levels will benefit.

It's always darkest before the dawn.



To: VAUGHN who wrote (3795)6/28/1999 11:19:00 AM
From: Peter Bourgeois  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7235
 
Hello Vaughn,

I just received the Rhonda annual report and they claim that there is evidence of kimberlite pipes on their Epworth property. They are in discussions with a Diamond producer and explorer to JV the property.

The property appears to be S/E of Kugluktuk. Have you heard any rumours of kimberlite that far north?

Cheers !!! Peter