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To: Ilaine who wrote (30009)	6/25/1999 9:56:00 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

Can we dump suicide and get back to orgasms here? Please?

To: Ilaine who wrote (30009)	6/25/1999 10:01:00 PM
From: jpmac	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

<smile> That's way more than enough sorries. Thanks. I do understand what you are saying. Or think I do. One of things that has held me back is what a friend (a suicidal one) said to me once, "my work here isn't done". I've held to that. I think of my elderly parents and of an ill sister who need me. And that is below children by a long ways. Spouses? They're important, but they will go on. That may sound harsh, but so be it. They are not dependant. Part of my perspective is that of a child that was completely happy and emotionally and physically strong, and charming and loved by all. I didn't understand my "crazy" older sister. I despised her weakness and the "trouble" she caused. Well, I came to understand. I was brought to my knees and taught in the harshest of manners what it is like to be in the abyss, to be beyond "control". Maybe it is that empathy that I've been taught, had driven into me, that brings suicidal folks into my realm. But I do, unfortunately?, understand all too well that there comes a time for some that there is no obligation on this earth that can keep them here. And it can be saddest of all to think that people are better off without you; that even your child might have a better chance if s/he doesn't have to deal with the depth, the horror, of your madness. It can be hard for a child to forgive, to understand, to empathize, and even honor, a parent for that decision. But those around s/he can help. There is a point in "madness" where the talk about euthanasia in terms of physical illnesses comes into play. Sometimes the bravest thing we can do is to die. And the bravest and most forgiving thing those left behind is to let someone go. The... next to last time? I almost died myself was because a friend did. She was my "home", the one who would always be there. But she was too tired to stay. She had tried, she had fought and clawed and endured, as long as she could. Her peace was more important than my needing her. And, yes, there is the case of "children". But children lose parents to physical illnesses. And children lose parents to the death of the soul.

To: Ilaine who wrote (30009)	6/25/1999 10:46:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

>To someone who contemplates suicide, I would ask, if your life is so unbearable, leave it. Get up, take every penny you have, go to another town, and start over. Fuck 'em all. Just don't kill yourself.< Cobalt - my problem with this is that it is rational. You have to be "high functioning" to Get It. I have had only one close brush with Big depression, and I have seen too close companions fall into its clutches. The striking feature about that kind of consuming depression is that it extinguishes not only the capacity to enjoy things, but even the memory or very concept of enjoyment. Sorta a "404 File not found" dealie. At that point the only binary choice is to live the pain, or to stop the pain