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To: Ilaine who wrote (41927)	6/26/1999 8:39:00 PM
From: melinda abplanalp	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Hi Cobalt, I support the hate crime policy. A majority of crime is drug/alcohol based or domestic. Everyone has a chance to be the target of a drug based crime. But to single someone out based on hate of their life style, race or religion is truly beyond unacceptable.

To: Ilaine who wrote (41927)	6/26/1999 10:03:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I don't agree. The hate crime problem is very bothersome, but we can't have people like me shooting down their haters without mercy when ever they feel annoyed or trespassed against. The civil peace must be protected against those who would create disorder and in turn fall to the self-helping victims self defense. When the mob directs terror against people like homosexuals, racial minorities and such, the state should use greater force to protect the despised minorities than is necessary to protect ordinary people who are victims merely of greed or fury. When one intentionally kills anyone with malice aforethought he commits a vile crime. To kill someone to foment or exercise hate creates a more terrible wrong, as bad, IMO as bad as killing a policeman. I think injuring certain people is a far greater wrong than injuring others. I do not consider my being solicited for sex by someone less powerful than me a crime at all. Some one who solicits sex from a little child has IMO commited a crime. Circumstances alter cases. Justice is the perpetual attempt to render to each what is his due. (Gaius?) We are all due different things. I can still defend myself. I don't need the protection of special laws. I cherish the right to defend myself. I enjoy doing it. Others can't. The state should protect them in inverse proportion to their own ability at self-defense.

To: Ilaine who wrote (41927)	6/27/1999 2:58:00 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

While it is undoubtedly true that ALL murders are hate crimes of one sort or another, crimes against homosexuals, racially motivated crimes, etc., seem to be much more common in societies where they are perceived as being common, and often almost normal. What it does when penalties for these crimes are made even more severe than for other murders is to send a message that the society has no tolerance for picking on people because of their color, sexual orientation, religion, or whatever sets them apart from the larger "norm". Killing black people used to hardly even be considered criminal in the South, when white people did it. It was the government's increasing willingness to prosecute, and to counter KKK influence and criminalize their activities, that helped change this situation. However, beating or killing homosexuals in most of this country is still considered hardly a crime, and I believe that increasing the penalties is one thing that may help change that. It goes without saying that none of these things makes any less horrendous when ANYONE dies violently. Still, if a deterrent works, it should be tried, I think.