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To: Neocon who wrote (42457)	6/28/1999 2:31:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

>Thus, it has been documented that many women use abortion as a means of sex selection--- ironically, primarily to abort females. It also creates the moral hazard of laxity with birth control, which has also been documented;< In the US and Europe? It's worth noting that "freedom" and "moral hazard" are often the very same thing.

To: Neocon who wrote (42457)	6/28/1999 7:46:00 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Abortion may do violence to "the concept of paternity", but refusal to allow it can do violence to the life of a specific individual. Which has greater protection under our principles? In practical terms, it is very, very, rare to find a father opposing an abortion. The paternal element is more likely to be urging the abortion or completely absent. abortion weakens the connections between fathers and their progeny, and weakens the male concern with the consequences of sex, making men even more inclined to predatory behavior and abandonment A tough link to prove, through either statistics or logic. The widespread prevalence of abortion threatens to rend the social fabric, given the depth of feeling on both sides, and should not depend on a flawed Supreme Court decision Translated: it's controversial; ban it. Shall we apply this same logic to, say, gun control? except in instances of rape, incest, or serious health risk.... What about cases where the mother hasn't the means to support, and knows she'll never see a bean from the father? Lather's point was well taken; I won't repeat it. You really ought to discuss this one with Terrence, though....

To: Neocon who wrote (42457)	6/29/1999
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<<<Has abortion impacted on the rise of child abuse and abandonment?;>>> It's a question, but its presence might be seen to imply that there is evidence to support such a notion. It would seem, intuitively, though, that if women are forced to have babies they don't want, there will be more unwanted children born; and that those children would be at a particular risk of abuse or abandonment. Here is an interesting statistic. I have been unable to get an update, but there is no reason to think that the situation it indicates has changed very much, proportionally. I found this in the September, 1989 issue of "Hippocrates" magazine, which has since then changed its name to "Health." ------------------- 1.5 million Number of Mexican women each year who have abortions, all of which are illegal. 140,000 Number of Mexican women who die of complications from these illegal abortions. ----------------- 1.6 million American women each year who have abortions, most of which are legal. 6 Number of American women who die of complications.