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To: jbe who wrote (30297)	6/28/1999 9:24:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

Lizzie feels guilt. As well she should. She is a bad shoe-eating dog. And I know when she's eaten a shoe because she lies on the floor with her head resting on her paws, giving a baleful look, waiting to be fussed at. So far she has eaten one Saucony sneaker (mine)(the damn things cost about $100 the pair), one Nike sneaker (Nick's)(only about $80 the pair), one Teva (mine)(it was worn, somewhat, but perfectly broken in!)(gnashing teeth)TWO! black Rockports (Ben's)(also $80 the pair), countless shoelaces, and countless shoe inserts. I have been putting my shoes where she can't get them, and here comes the reason she should feel guilty. She likes to curl up under the computer during the day when I am on SI, and then she will get up and go downstairs, and she SNEAKS a shoe-snack as she goes. I have to go see if she's got a shoe, and if I am distracted, then she may even carry it outside. And then, after she has given in to her bad impulses, guilt sets in. She feels remorse! She feels dread! She knows I will tell her that she is a bad, bad dog! She's lucky she has the children, who love her unconditionally.

To: jbe who wrote (30297)	6/29/1999 1:08:00 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

Oh, now I feel even guiltier! How could I have wronged the animal doggie kingdom so. I HAVE had dogs- but not the kind of dogs everyone else seems to have, wonderful, man's best friend, save you from the burning building, kind. We had Woeful , who certainly was. And this little black dog, Pasha, a cockapoo, who used to lie on the kitchen table and she knew she wasn't supposed to, so she would do it while we were at work. Then when we got home and walked in, she would stand up, all nervous, and urinate all over the table. Now WHY didn't she just get off the table when she heard the car drive up? Or the key in the door? But no. Day after day, we walked in, and she peed on the table. Then she was raped by the neighbor's dog and really became neurotic. So I don't know if it's guilt, or just stimulus-response training. They just know they've pissed you off and you're going to reprimand them, and this is a bad thing. I'm a cat person. Cats are much smarter. They know they're bad because they do it on purpose. They WANT to get you upset. It's fun. Tesh and Myers try to hide it, but they are laughing when they run and hide after they're bad. I've seen them looking at each other and giggling. "Did you see her face when you knocked the lamp over?" They think I can't hear. SOmetimes they act sorry, but I know they're just trying to manipulate me and don't mean it at all. We just watched Shawshank Redemption- what a great movie. I must go to bed. I will beg forgiveness from the DogGod for all my transgressions today.

To: jbe who wrote (30297)	6/29/1999 2:56:00 AM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

Joan, Please read the dog article in the current Atlantic Monthly. Leo was merely "cringing" a age-old successful canine strategy to appease the Alpha you way above him. Even Omega wolves cringe -- live shorter lives than Alphas and have much worse conditioning. Leo didn't walk with head and tail high like a noble wolf, did he? He couldn't stare you in the eyes interminably. My GSHP Graf was as his name suggests noble. He kindly shared leadership of the pack with me. I can't recall him ever showing guilt, or shame, or apologizing. He dominated every dog, and most people. He was noble in the worst way that it implies. He escaped and ran free whenever he could. He hunted with his pack in the woods. He guarded us as a noble should. He exploited us as a noble will. Of course, I am an animal too. And I have never felt guilt.