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To: Neocon who wrote (13107)	6/29/1999 3:49:00 PM
From: Enigma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Ah well - such comfortable thoughts - anything can be rationalised, including the subjugation of savages - for their own good of course? d

To: Neocon who wrote (13107)	6/29/1999 5:54:00 PM
From: truedog	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 17770

to: Neocon from: truedog Re: post #13107 You were expecting me, weren't you? On this issue, I must differ with you but, you know what a gentleman I am when I differ. The north-American Native Americans had no concept of land ownership so, of course they had no fixed territory. Yes, they fought with each other over hunting grounds but, this for the use of said territory and not ownership. It was a matter of feeding their families. When the "white eyes" came along professing that they were going to own the land or, already had been granted title to it, the NAs could not understand what these crazy people were talking about. Also, I don't feel that the western invasion of the white man left both sides better off. Aside from the encarceration of NAs on non productive reservations where they could not feed themselves and were controlled by unscrupulous indian agents that provided them putrid meat and weevilly grain, please consider the other legacies they received--numerous diseases for which they had no immunity, total destruction of their natural food supply, degradation of their women, alcoholism, and being stripped of their honor and pride in self accomplishment. It is only recently that some of the tribes have been able to find ways back to self-reliance. Alcoholism is still one of the main problems among them because, according to scientific research ( by who, I don't know) NAs are #2 among ethnic groups in susceptability to addiction to alcohol.Those tribes that adapted well early, such as the Cherokees and other victims of the trail of tears were very few in number and they had had much earlier contact with the whites. We can't undo what's been done but, the NAs don't think they are better off. The condition of the continent has been decimated also. Regards, truedog BTW, #1 for alcoholism are the Irish.

To: Neocon who wrote (13107)	6/29/1999 8:41:00 PM
From: John Lacelle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Neocon, The Yugoslavian Government had something of a strange predicament. As I understand it, one of the ultra- nationalist Serbian Parties was pondering what to do with these Kosovars. They would not adopt the common Serbo-Croat language. They identified with Albanians and the nation. One idea they had was to saturate the Albanians with American pop culture so as to destroy their identity. Not a bad idea! Here in California we are actually engaged in the same kind of war. We have millions of Latin American immigrants. Californians started to see that they were becoming gentrified so they passed several ballot propositions such as 187, and 209, which were designed to force Latins to speak english, deny the illegals welfare and jobs, and make them conform to the American way of life. We have a Kosovo situation developing here. The propositions were passed by 60% of the vote but were both shot down by liberal judges with axes to grind. The war for control is probably going to be ugly. -John