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To: truedog who wrote (13127)	6/29/1999 5:57:00 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

BTW, #1 for alcoholism are the Irish.>> Only because they publish statistics...Plus it depends on definition of alcoholic <gg> 1. Russians 2. Poles

To: truedog who wrote (13127)	6/29/1999 6:24:00 PM
From: Andy Thomas	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

Hi TD, Thanks for the response to Neocon. Perhaps you and DD have some valid points - of course you do. On the other hand, everyone is a sinner, and you and I know the antidote for that. Maybe even in light of all of the evil which the settlers propagated, there had to be that collateral damage because the messangers were often impure; but the gospel had to be spread to the ends of the earth. There were - even if the majority of Europeans were of evil intent and/or deed- some very saintly missionaries in their midst, and these men did plant some "good seeds." Is that fair? FWIW Andy

To: truedog who wrote (13127)	6/29/1999 11:55:00 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Yes, I was expecting you, and I think that the picture that you paint is fair enough for those NAs who ended up on reservations for long periods. I have met many in the East who are fully assimilated, however. What the relative proportions are, I cannot say, but I have met quite a few. Also, I do not see how the condition of the continent can be considered poor when both agriculture and industry are thriving, and yet there remain plenty of forested areas and parklands, and pollution is being addressed. I agree that the concept of land ownership was foreign to many tribes. My only point is that the carrying capacity of the Americas was by no means filled, and there were many people hungry for land in other countries, and it is not clear why the continents should have been locked up against them. In any event, I am not proud of the ways in which treaties were violated, or of incidents like the Trail of Tears, but I am not sorry overall that Europeans settled the Americas, or that the United States of America was created. Are you?