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To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (30547)	6/30/1999 6:42:00 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

I wasn't poking fun at you, Lather, but at the way we all -- myself definitely included -- tend to generalize about people and situations we don't have direct experience of. I'm used to laughing at myself, and shouldn't have assumed you were too. As I said, I was about to offer some of my own ideas on the issue you raised, but realized just in time I had no direct experience of what I was talking about. As a matter of fact, as I think Paul pointed out, many middle class blacks don't have any more direct experience of the lifestyle of "poor ghetto blacks" than we "whiteys" do. So it's really at least as much of a class thing as it is a race thing. I have no objection to your idea, incidentally. Joan

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (30547)	6/30/1999 6:54:00 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 71178

Second point, Lather. Who's talking about "delegations," about artifically seeking out anyone's opinion? I was just wondering where our black posters are -- if there are any such on SI. The views expressed on SI in general are so overwhelmingly conservative that I rather doubt it.

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (30547)	6/30/1999 7:11:00 PM
From: Gauguin	Respond to of 71178

I think it's time to face it, Lather. The real problem of ghetto America the last thirty years has been you and your dumb Space Shuttle ideas. :o) Really ~ I think it's a damn good one. Incorporation is a plan. Like speaking English. Opportunity, stable opportunity over-weighing generations of virtually complete exclusion, is another. I can think of some other trials. You know, trys. When I pass through these neighborhoods, I can see exactly what is happening and why. I doesn't take a shuttle scientist. I'd be there, or under, were it not for my middle class upbringing/conceptions/opportunities. And plenty pissed off, I would be. I'm amazed we pay, collectively, as small a toll in vengeance as we do. We waited too long to include. Any step toward inclusion has got to help; but it's going to take making a "middle class" out of "them." A class at all. It could be done; did the willingness exist.