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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (43037)	7/2/1999 11:53:00 AM
From: melinda abplanalp	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Geez Lather....baaaaaaad!! LOL

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (43037)	7/2/1999 11:59:00 AM
From: Edwarda	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I know the case you were discussing and tried to make it clear that I meant no disagreement. (Although Lolita does stick in my mind.) The situation you were discussing makes me very uneasy about all of the people involved and how much exploitation is involved. I have not been following this discussion closely, so I don't know if this has already been addressed: What about minors messing around with minors?

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (43037)	7/2/1999 12:05:00 PM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Why is this your opinion? Did you formulate it, have it handed to you, have it programmed into you, or are you just going along with a majority consensus in society (the lemming factor)? If you had grown up in certain Asian countries I doubt you would "feel" the same way. E and I were talking about messing with a fourteen-year-old by an adult (let's arbitrarily say thirty and up). FT sneakily extended the topic to become about age discrimination on a broad front. There is an age line at which Western people do and should consider teenagers to be sexual minors. Kids. Fourteen is below that line imho. Seventeen is pretty much right on the line. Eighteen - Hey Baby, wanna spend a little time with Sugardaddy?? :-)

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (43037)	7/2/1999 4:31:00 PM
From: Bob Lao-Tse	Read Replies (6) \| Respond to of 108807

"There is an age line at which Western people do and should* consider teenagers to be sexual minors.* (emphasis mine) I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree with you more. Regardless of what parents may prefer, American teens are generally ready, willing and able to engage in sexual relations by the age of 14, and the fact that we decree that they are psychologically unable to do so won't change that fact. The simple fact is that teenagers are probably more intensely sexually aware than almost any other age group in our society, and we will never be able to stop that from being so. Our only hope is to change our approach to raising kids so that by the time they are physically able to engage in sex they are also psychologically able. So long as we continue to try to bury our heads in the sand and insist that the adolescents who are fully capable of engaging in sex are somehow "not ready" we are dooming them to ignorance and, I believe, perversion. Immediately after puberty kids begin to develop the sexual fixations that will stay with them for the rest of their lives, and so long as we deny them the ability to comfortably engage in simple heterosexual relations we will continue to force them into ultimately less acceptable avenues of sexual expression. Stating that they are not ready for sex will not change the simple fact that they are, it will only twist them up unnecessarily. As the most simple example, I would posit that if we were to allow adolescents the ability to engage in the sex that their hormonal surges are demanding, the pornography industry would dry up and blow away within a generation or two. Now I will admit that, as you and E have been discussing, the predatory behavior of adults toward the newly mature adolescents is a problem, but it is a separate problem. And I think that if we were to bend our efforts toward ensuring that adolescents are psychologically mature enough to handle their sexual desires by the time that they begin to feel them, it wouldn't be much of a problem at all. The only reason it's a problem now is because the adolescents are so ignorant and confused and therefore vulnerable. It seems clear to me that we as a society want people to engage in sincere and caring sex with people they genuinely care about and the surest way to guarantee that is to at least allow if not encourage those at the very beginning of their sexual experimentation to engage in sincere and caring sex with people they genuinely care about. To do anything else is ultimately counter-productive.