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To: jttmab who wrote (135470)	7/3/1999 9:27:00 PM
From: James Wamsley	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 176387

O.T. Bill of Rights James, I really appreciate your post on the Bill of Rights, so appropriate for this weekend. The Magna Carta was a baseline, so to speak, for rights against the power of the government. The thread unwound through English history to American colonial history to Madison. I can hardly wait, though, to hear what the 11th and 12th items were -- frankly, I'm too lazy to research it! Thanks again. JimW

To: jttmab who wrote (135470)	7/4/1999 12:35:00 AM
From: Eugene Goodman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 176387

Jefferson's comments about the Whiskey Rebellion are also worth pondering. Very 60's. Gene

To: jttmab who wrote (135470)	7/4/1999 1:42:00 AM
From: freeus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 176387

Thank you! Very apt for the day.... I was of course upset that the Whiskey Rebellion against taxes would be suppressed, and disappointed at the passage, during Adams, or the Alien and Sedition acts: its amazing that that early in this young free country's reign the powers were already wanting to take freedom away! The price of freedom is eternal vigilence, indeed. And we are a soft, overfed people who not longer want to take the time or trouble to be vigilent. Happy 4th to all. Freeus

To: jttmab who wrote (135470)	7/5/1999 12:19:00 PM
From: Jerry Miller	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 176387

OT (but fitting) "...Madison proposed twelve Bill of Rights...what were the other two?" On September 25, 1789, Congress sent twelve proposed amendments to the state legislatures for ratification. The first of these, dealing with Congressional representation, was never ratified. The second, concerning Congressional pay, was not ratified until 1992 when it became the 27th Amendment! The remaining ten were adopted on December 15, 1791 as the first ten amendments to the Constitution, and became known as the Bill of Rights. Article I (Never Ratified) After the first enumeration required by the first Article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which, the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons. Article II (Adopted as Amendment XXVII) No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened. (from www.jamesmadison.com)