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To: survivin who wrote (65024)	7/12/1999 11:47:00 PM
From: Process Boy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579986

survivin - <Gwennap still has doubts whether the Athlon is a true 7th generation processor.> Tenchusatsu has been saying something similar for quite a while. PB

To: survivin who wrote (65024)	7/13/1999 1:07:00 AM
From: Ali Chen	Respond to of 1579986

Gwennap writes in conclusion: "If AMD can push Athlon to 750 MHz in the 0.25-micron process and tune its SPEC results a bit, the new chip will open a larger performance gap over Pentium III and have a strong claim to the seventh-generation title. If not, Athlon will be competitive with Pentium III but is likely to fall behind the performance of Intel's seventh-generation effort once that part emerges .> The guy plotted the "performance" chart based mainly on meaningless "Dhrystone" benchmarks, and even in this most unnatural environment he found that there is some saturation in performance "jumps". How dare he is to assume that the same performance jump will occur from P-III to WillEverMeet when everything is pointing out that there is no architectural resourced left in the Intel arsenal to improve x86 performance? The Ahlon is already about to meet his ridiculous "title" definitions while the corresponding Intel's chip is nowhere on horizon. All the article is a stupid academical exercise, no more, no less, IMHO.

To: survivin who wrote (65024)	7/13/1999 1:22:00 AM
From: Scumbria	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1579986

survivn, Gwennap still has doubts whether the Athlon is a true 7th generation processor K7 is a very intelligently architected processor. AMD specifically avoided the pitfall of trying to impress the MDR/Microprocessor Forum crowd, and instead went after MHz. Scumbria

To: survivin who wrote (65024)	7/13/1999 11:39:00 AM
From: Steve Porter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579986

Survivin, What Mr. Gwennap said about the K7 being '7th' generation is quite the enjoyable read. Let me say that AMD is planning on having at least 750Mhz out of the .25 process and quite possibly higher. Also you have to remember what he said about the die size of the K7. Remember where he says something to the effect that "if AMD can achieve this 70% performance increase with such a small increase in die size it is a marvel of efficiency". This is a very important point to remember. I think the one thing missing from his analysis was the fact he didn't factor in die size to the calculation. I would have to like have seen the following calculation: (performance gain * clock speed gain)/die size increase That would have been much more of a tell metric for the cpu design itself. Regards, Steve