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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (5908)	7/21/1999 5:13:00 PM
From: djane	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 29987

OT Mgurice, isn't it all realpolitik? The Chinese people/govt are big boys. So the US mistakenly (yes, I know the conspiracy theorists are wanking about intentionality) bombed a minor league embassy in downtown Belgrade. So what? War is hell -- move on. So the Chinese govt will use it to extract concessions from the US during the next WTO negotiations -- no problem. Do you think the Chinese govt really cares about its silly embassy? Not a chance. At this point in world history, the US is the world's unelected policeman for good or bad, and the US taxpayers certainly pay an ungodly amount to send military armaments and soldiers flinging around the planet. The Europeans wouldn't (couldn't) do anything about Milosevic so they pleaded with the US/UN to do something -- disgraceful if you ask me. Europeans whine about fat, ugly Americans with their horrid TV programs invading their homes and then can't police their own sphere of influence without help from the big boys. Anyway, I'm afraid of your response -- in terms of length, not quality :-) I personally would prefer a more international police force but it doesn't exist at this point and, thus, can't be used against the inevitable nut cases who pop up every once in a while. As a G shareholder, I'm enjoying the jihad by the know-nothings in the US House/Senate against China in their cause to resurrect the Cold War and try to get their very inexperienced, lightweight and aristocratic boy George, Jr. elected. I see it as less competition for G* and will help G* get to the 2nd gen system and profit nirvana. Since the Cold War has disappeared as an issue, the Christian Coalition (I mean Republican Party) has had a difficult time getting elected. Heck, after the Clintonian Democrats took their economic/tax issues away, the Repubs have been flailing away and alienating the US public by their moral lecturing and interference with private citizen liberties (i.e., abortion and listening to some excellent rap music and seeing movies with a little sex without censorship). But, ever since the Christian Coalition took over the Repubs from the local, then state and now national level, what can you expect from them? yours, djane

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (5908)	7/21/1999 5:25:00 PM
From: djane	Respond to of 29987

OT-2 On "illegal" immigration, Maurice, I grew up in San Diego and watched the bilious rise of Pete Wilson from San Diego mayor to CA governor. Unbelievable hypocrite. As he led the crusade against illegal immigrants from Mexico (not the hordes from England and Europe who come every year, marry friends of mine, acquire their green cards, get divorced and stay forever, god bless their souls), Wilson of course didn't really try to effectively close the border because it would have destroyed the agribusiness industry in CA. On a funnier note, in the last election in which Gray Davis crushed Matt Fong by 20 points, the Democratic party ran ads in the Latino community in Los Angeles which ran only the words "Wilson" along with Fong. Apparently, the name "Wilson" is now a hated, curse word in this community and is associated with the Prop.187 and no education/health care for immigrants pograms by the CA Repub know-nothings. I grew up with my parents and their friends throwing around racist comments about illegal immigrants ruining the American way of life while at the same time complaining that they had to pay "them" too much for gardening, housecleaning, cooking and other menial jobs which their sons (i.e., me) and daughters wouldn't do. To my knowledge, the US/Mexico border represents the highest disparity of income between countries sharing geographic borders and, hence, the inherent volatility and hypocrisy. djane You wrote: Sure, there have been a lot of illegal immigrant invaders, which annoys many in the affected areas, but those 'illegals' work and help the economy. If the 'illegals' were repatriated the cost of food would go up, since it's hard to imagine the well-off indigenous population working in the fields for around $5 per hour.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (5908)	7/21/1999 11:06:00 PM
From: Oliver Schonrock	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 29987

Maurice Right on Maurice! So culturally sensitive! This is a new angle from you after the French debate many posts ago. I guess you were a member of the affected party then (ie RBW bombing), although there was also the French angle. Remember that while their action in the South Pacific was completely unjustifiable and I don't support it in any way, they are a repressed race/culture also. They have been overrun twice just this century and the resulting insecurity allowed the then political powers to make that ridiculous decision. Unfortunately the French have a somewhat less passifistic way of expressing their fear. Anyway you have my full support on this one. The US better make friends quickly, and stop thinking of China as a threat. Oliver