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To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (26389)7/25/1999 7:04:00 PM
From: Achilles  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Surely the point that needs to be made, Steve, is that the willingness of the early Christians to die for their faith merely proves the sincerity of that faith, not the truth or falseness of its content. I.e., Paul's ultimate martyrdom proves that he really believed that Jesus rose from the dead; in itself it is not proof that Jesus *did* rise from the dead.



To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (26389)7/26/1999 1:09:00 AM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
<< you should not be trying to figure out what these men would or
would not die for. >>

So does it have any more actual FACTS that bear on the matter, or just more speculation and supposition about what may or may not have happened? I think I know the answer because if it could prove the case, we'd all know it.

It will have to start by proving that distortions and fabrications did not get into the NT story during the years and centuries before it was finalized. And that I doubt it can do because the old evidence is not sufficient to make the Christian case, and if there actually were new evidence that would make the case, I would know it.