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To: The Philosopher who wrote (47984)	7/30/1999 6:48:00 PM
From: Father Terrence	Respond to of 108807

I agree with you. Maybe you should take the case!!

To: The Philosopher who wrote (47984)	7/30/1999 7:38:00 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I agree with you that what MIT has done is absolutely wrong. Some disciplinary action at the time -- suspension or even expulsion -- would have been appropriate. Although Yoo was not the only person responsible for Krueger's death, he certainly bore part of the blame. But taking his degree away from him now is preposterous. And most of the blame should be put squarely on the fraternity system itself, IMO. As long as there have been fraternities, this sort of hazing nonsense has been going on. There have been scores of deaths over the years. They have sparked periodic campaigns to "civilize" the hazing process, but these incidents keep happening. Perhaps MIT would be better advised to get rid of its fraternities. I would guess that Yoo has a solid case against MIT. But you're the lawyer. What do you think? Joan

To: The Philosopher who wrote (47984)	7/30/1999 8:08:00 PM
From: E	Respond to of 108807

I agree. Revoking a degree is an absurd punishment. It also changes the subject from the tragedy that occurred to this nonsense sequel. They'll have to rescind, thus, brilliantly, giving the guy the chance to feel somehow vindicated, as though it had now been established that he played no part in the events. Dumb.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (47984)	7/30/1999 10:35:00 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 108807

For Christopher, from the "Confessions of St. Augustine": Look around; there are the heaven and the earth. They cry aloud that they were made, for they change and vary. Whatever there is that has not been made, and yet has being, has nothing in it that was not there before. This having something not already existent is what it means to be changed and varied. Heaven and earth thus speak plainly that they did not make themselves: "We are, because we have been made; we did not exist before we came to be so that we could have made ourselves!" And the voice with which they speak is simply their visible presence. It was thou, O Lord, who madest these things. Thou art beautiful; thus they are beautiful. Thou art good, thus they are good. Thou art; thus they are. But they are not as beautiful, nor as good, nor as truly real as thou their Creator art. Compared with thee, they are neither beautiful nor good, nor do they even exist. These things we know, thanks be to thee. Yet our knowledge is ignorance when it is compared with thy knowledge.