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To: Neocon who wrote (34052)8/5/1999 3:21:00 PM
From: John Pitera  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 71178
 
Thanks for the support.....I think that people who tried to project themselves into the characters of the movie were unhappy with the results.



To: Neocon who wrote (34052)8/5/1999 3:50:00 PM
From: Rambi  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71178
 
and I am offended that people who should have appreciated it better (like Stanley Kauffman in the New Republic) did not.....

My opinion of Stanley Kauffman has risen.
Just kidding.
But I find your saying you're offended by this, implies that to not appreciate the film implies a certain failure or ignorance on his part, because what? HE should have known better??? I, and others who failed to ooh and aah (except at the sets and cinematography-which I DID appreciate), just don't know better?
NOT a nice way to start a discussion, Neo-insulting us!
Well, no one but my friend Jan and me seems to have disliked the movie so far.

I guess I am on a losing one woman crusade (Call me Tipper). I find the use of blatant sexual scenes offensive; I don't believe it is necessary to have a naked, spread-eagled model ODing on drugs to make a point about anything. I found Tom Cruise and NIcole Kidman pitiable as well as offensive as characters, and I think perhaps they were meant to be. Unfortunately, I'm not sure many people will see the desperate, sad aspect of their lives, but rather see the money, the lifestyle, the naked Nicole Kidman.
A 500 dollar a night callgirl in her expensive clothes and apartment is still a whore.

Perhaps we're arguing apples and oranges? I don't disagree on the lushness or the clever angles or the sets, or the incredible lighting.
I disliked the subject matter and the treatment of the subject matter.
I think we have just gone too far in what we pass off as sophisticated or "mature", when often it's just garbage in a silk bag..

So for 2 1/2 hours I got to watch self-indulgent, too rich people I didn't like do things I thought were shallow and stupid and meaningless, and occasionally cruel and evil. Kubrick didn't show me anything I didn't already know about us, nor did he inspire me.

And he did it so damn SLOOOOOOWLY.

penni "Jerry Falwell" westbrook



To: Neocon who wrote (34052)8/5/1999 8:23:00 PM
From: Rambi  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71178
 
Neo--
What did Kauffman say about EWS? I'm curious why he didn't like it.
I hardly think he would have the sort of objections Mommy Tipper has.
Looked to see if I could find it on line---but couldn't. DO you have the review? I love hearing about all the stuff I didn't see or notice or pick up on.



To: Neocon who wrote (34052)8/6/1999 7:38:00 AM
From: John Pitera  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71178
 
Neo, check out the review that I included in my post

127.0.0.1:3456/SI/~wsapi/investor/reply-10844932

it's pretty good huh?

John

tell me if you can not open the link