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To: kapkan4u who wrote (67763)	8/5/1999 8:17:00 PM
From: Cirruslvr	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1577009

Kap - RE: "Far fetched? I think so, but amusing nevertheless." Sorry to put a dent in your theory: ______________________________________________________________________ Intel Coppermine: the facts emerge After we filed Peter Sherriff's earlier story about Coppermine being delayed because of marchitecture rather than architecture issues, an Intel engineer in Israel has emailed us to put the record straight. (Story: Intel Cumine delay caused by fear of AMD) At the same time, she also commented on our stories about AMD's process in Dresden. Our source, who wishes to stay anonymous because she wants to keep her job, but who is nevertheless, extremely reliable, said: "I can assure you that Coppermine's delay had nothing to do with marketing. For once, Intel's PR is telling the truth. There was a RASH of unexpected problems with it, mostly due to last minute problems hitting the frequency target." She said that Dixons early success was because it failed to fully exploit the .18 micron P858 process. Coppermine, which does (or perhaps should) fully exploit P858, showed a number of problems with both process and design. Coppermine will launch at 667MHz because of the holdover P856 version, she said. Intel will take a rather standoffish position towards AMD's Athlon, she said. There will be no official reaction while architects, engineers and designers "fab out" (make) faster and faster Cumines until Willamette emerges. And the engineer further claimed that there is nothing in AMD's Fab 30 that Intel hasn't already tried. However, she added, Intel doesn't promise things it can't produce... Hmmm... Flip chip technology is in place all over the place at Intel, she said, since the Pentium II/350. (We do remember that our old friends at IBM Microelectronics were talking about this flip chip technology in 1992. Where is Mr La Rosa these days? Is Via gonna buy IBM too? This chip stuff is dead tricky, init?) ® theregister.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________ What is the difference between the P858 and P856 processes?

To: kapkan4u who wrote (67763)	8/5/1999 8:25:00 PM
From: Charles R	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577009

zdnet.com Interesting spin on things for CuMine delay (decide for yourself if it meshes with previous comments from Intel about speed problems and design fixes). Note the admission from Intel about corporations not being able to qual CuMine in time for Q4 sales and the "may adopt" about other segments. "While consumers, small and medium businesses may adopt Coppermine more quickly, Intel sees corporations, which make up a large portion of its business, waiting until the first quarter to switch over to the new design."

To: kapkan4u who wrote (67763)	8/5/1999 9:10:00 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577009

Re: "First, Elmer posted that CuMine would be competitive with Athlon on specFP, within few % points (in his words) due to compiler use of SSE. The problem with Elmer's statement is that only one specFP95 benchmark is using single-precision FP. I hope this doesn't get Elmer in trouble. " What I said was that I had heard a person, who was very much in a position to know, make the statement that the Coppermine would be a "jump ball" with Athlon in Integer performance and within a few percent in FP, IN PART due to compiler technology. It was pure speculation on my part that this compiler technology involved SSE instructions, as the person speaking did not go into specific detail. The person is high up in that organization and his name would be recognized by some here on this thread. My impression is, the Athlon's lead in performance, though real at this point, will disappear before the years end. I could be wrong. Time will tell. EP