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To: greenspirit who wrote (51511)	8/16/1999 3:55:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I was involved in environmental activism in and just after college: did some of the early Love Canal research, took some of the samples that demonstrated the contamination of the Hudson river with PCBs, and spent 6 months doing research on a municipal landfill on Long Island, where large quantities of industrial waste had been illegally dumped (the site was eventually reclassified as an industrial waste site and scheduled for cleanup; I don't know how it worked out). During that time I had a fair bit of contact with Greenpeace people. My impression was that most of them knew little and cared less about the actual issues or the practical steps that might be taken to resolve them. Most seemed to be overgrown children looking for a congenial excuse to vent some undefined anger, more concerned with plotting a dramatic gesture that might get them on TV than with actually looking to define problems and seek solutions. I suspect there will always be a need for environmental activists: as long as it's possible to make a quick buck by dumping garbage in someone else's yard instead of dealing with it properly there will always be some who take that route. But I do wish that the people who contribute money to fund environmental groups would not assume that results are proportional to the noise that is made.

To: greenspirit who wrote (51511)	8/17/1999 2:06:00 AM
From: Aaron Cooperband	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Michael - Re: "And one of their [greenpeace's] most influential leaders quit in disgust due to the rising influences of radical elements of the group." I currently support Greenpeace, and I'm very curious to find out more about this. Can you give me some more info on it? Aaron

To: greenspirit who wrote (51511)	8/22/1999 6:22:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Micael, the environmentalist movement is just like any other political group--filled with people of high ideals and a few bad apples. Personally, I think having your heart in the right place and practicing nonviolent environmental acts is a very good thing, but obviously as someone who seems to support "my country right or wrong" patriotism, supports nuclear energy and weapons, and brags about breaking existing laws to degrade the environment by jet skiing in a prohibited area, you are so far on different side of this argument that arguing about it here won't change either of our minds at all.