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To: Iceberg who wrote (14205)	8/25/1999 1:22:00 PM
From: MNI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Iceberg, you are correct that our disagreemant mostly comes from different usage of the word 'justification'. However I will not retreat from the assumption that terrorist regimes should not be assumed to be concerned about human rights. Neither in the above sentence nor in the previous posts did I try to compare the Kosovo situation to the Nazi state in order to say that both were essentially the same. I tried to discuss some academic generalizations, not the facts or any details. I admit to have drifted from the thread's topic by academically discussing some theoretical assumption that I thought I had seen from your postings. So I did not state that there were merly some random acts of killing in Kosovo, and I did not talk about Kosovo, but I talked about what could happen in principle in a terrorist state situtation. I do think both situations must be seen and evaluated in their own rights, and on a matter of fact basis. Facts are not available to me in a state of verificability well enough for me to discuss the matter in that way. To return to the 'academically abstract' discussion, I will add: Your point about justification in their own minds is shaky, too. There are, after all, poeple that kill and torture "for fun", and a regime can systematically invoke situations in which sadistic perverts can realize their dreams on some scapegoats of society. Also such henchmen can be systematically "educated" to be as simplistic, brutal, perverse as you wish. Sometimes it will need some pressure or brainwashing or drugs, but there are ways to do it. For extinction processes under that extreme conditions (that may or may not apply to any real situation), the content value of the word 'justification' is watered down so strongly that I feel entitled to say that the verificability of the victim's identity as a member of the scapegoat group is not the central problem of the process. Maybe even of no importance. Regards MNI. PS a different misunderstanding between us came also from a different understanding. The Nuremberg race laws of course did not rely on any sensory input, but on files and passports of parents, grandparents and great-grandparents. It was not the state that had to prove that somebody was a 'Jew', but the individual had to prove that he/she wasn't. It may be important to this discussion that the Nazis then felt a need to create the discerning sensory input and afterwards provide some negative associations....