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To: chalu2 who wrote (855)	9/11/1999 7:40:00 PM
From: gao seng	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1449

Very nice of you to introduce the Civil War into our little discussion, Chalu. Leaving the nature of the law out of it, if there wasn't the right the bear arms, there would have been no Civil War. Lincoln's unconstitutional law would have been forced on the states. I was watching the World's Greatest Conspiracies last night on The History Channel, and one of them was that the start of the CIA was from the leftovers interlligence agencies of the Nazis. So there we have it, a conspiracy involving the us and a plan for world domination. The only thing that has stood in the way of those plans so far this century is Americans. Not that we had any known tangible advantage at the beginning of the century. But obviously, the advantage we had was tangible, and it was our freedom. But without guns, we have no way to keep our freedom. From here it gets a little sketchy. But since you and your paid minions have tried to discredit me for shorting your horse, I really don't care about my credibility. But there is much evidence on Cia and Manchurian Candidate. Search lycos. And the gun control theory goes that there will be a sever market crash, and all the longs will go postal, and the call for gun control will go out and be answered. The pump is currently being primed. Anyone notice the other day how the atlanta daytrader was found to be on prozac? Like I am sure it took that long to search his car and discover that. Anyway, before I offend too many people, let me just say that Koresh probably thought he was pretty safe, surrounded by a lot of people. Said to himself, if the government wants me, they have to kill a lot of people to get me. Amazingly, they got their cake and were able to eat it too. But I think we caught them with the milk mustache. But Koresh didn't kill all those people, even that left wing piece of crap PBS' frontline admits that.

To: chalu2 who wrote (855)	9/12/1999 2:42:00 AM
From: Merritt	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1449

Chalu2: My goodness, when there's a substantive piece of information developed that leads to further enlightenment of the Government's mishandling of the Waco tragedy, it seems we can rely on Chalu2, that master of misdirection, to post some diversionary comments. <<Hey, how come my minions are getting paid, and not me? I want my check! >> I don't blame you, Chalu2, seems to me as if you have a legitimate gripe.<g> As to your misdirection: <<Like Grant, Koresh could have spared lives had he taken a different course. But, also like Grant, he was willing to lead those under his command to slaughter as if they were lambs.>> In retrospect, perhaps that's true (I'm referring to the part Koresh could have spared lives had he taken a different course.), but it would be reasonable, IMHO, for him to believe that our Government wouldn't indiscriminately attack and spray bullets into buildings that are known to contain women and children. It's still hard for me to believe they could be so callous and arrogant. <<the Grant-like scorched earth attack policies of Clinton's cocaine-addled mercenaries. What puzzles me is why Koresh didn't learn a lesson from the Battle of Antietam>> Since Gen. George McClellan commanded the Union forces at Antietam, linking it with Grant seems inappropriate...perhaps you used it because it was the most bloody single day of the war...still, confusing at best...and certainly not a "scorched earth" type of battle - you do know it took place on Union soil, don't you?<g> But it is revelatory of the difference between Grant and other Union generals...McClellan reportedly had 85,000 troops vs Lee's 40,000. Had McClellan pressed on, he might well have ended the Civil War at that time. Grant, when he had numbers superiority, pushed them into the battle as so much cannon fodder...probably unnecessary when he came into pre-eminence, as the Rebs were running out of both men and material. An example, IMHO, of the wrong men at the wrong time.

To: chalu2 who wrote (855)	9/15/1999 6:04:00 PM
From: Machaon	Respond to of 1449

<< What puzzles me is why Koresh didn't learn a lesson from the Battle of Antietam and such, and simply surrender the compound to avoid bloodshed? >> The actions of a madman, such as Koresh, would puzzle anyone. David, the child molestor, Koresh thought that he was Christ. He could have any child he wanted for sex. Koresh and his band of murderers not only burned their own children alive, they also murdered some of our finest men in the ATF. I wonder if Koresh and his sexual predators murdered the children so they wouldn't be able to tell anyone about the perverts among the Branch Davidians.