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To: jbe who wrote (5731)	9/13/1999 7:22:00 PM
From: Cheeky Kid	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110653

This guy is an expert: zdnet.com >Ira Winkler, author of Corporate Espionage, first realized the vulnerability of large computer systems while working with the National Security Agency in the 1980s. Since then, first in the NSA and National Computer Security Association, now in private enterprise, he has strived to protect network and communications systems. Along the way, Winkler has worked with the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency, and performed information warfare studies for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. < zdnet.com

To: jbe who wrote (5731)	9/13/1999 10:28:00 PM
From: mrknowitall	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110653

jbe - not the place for this, but our willing accomplices in the Clinton (In)justice department are well positioned to not only monitor but hammer "inappropriate" sites, and soon it will be not only policy without the backing of legislation, but the law of the land as the various federal agencies install their probes deeper and deeper into the net. Legislation is years behind technology in the privacy arena. It will be far too late to correct the invasions that we will see on the fringes of various issues. Unlike outright censorship of "broadcast" radio and TV, the Clinton administration and the congress have opened the door to the ultimate censorship weapon on the internet before a foothold could be established. You have just experienced it, and no matter how many sites decry it or rant and rave, it is simply too late to bar federal intervention. We have lost the privacy war before it even started. Mr. K.

To: jbe who wrote (5731)	9/14/1999 12:30:00 AM
From: Dwane Houghtaling	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110653

Joan. As you say, the kavkaz.org (.org not .com) site is registered to a Mr. Albert Digaev in Santa Barbara California. However, the site is not down as I write this. The above URL automatically routes you to Tripod page members.tripod.com This is a nice looking site if you read Russian. I tested 3 or 4 of the links and each worked fine. The 404 Error "Not Found. This URL cannot be found on this server." is automatically returned if the link you are trying to access does not exist on the server at that time. My GUESS based on your statement of the kavkaz.org site being closed due to complaints, is you were hitting the new site before everything was back in place on the new server. Just a guess though. Rather then a hacking job, it sounds more like you caught the site in between transferring from one server to another. FYI. You might want to check dxb.org for Chechen Republic Online. dxb.org is the site Mr. Digaev has for his email service. Dwane