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To: Tunica Albuginea who wrote (470)9/15/1999 12:56:00 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 69300
 
To ALL : Can we stick to the issue of EVOLUTION? FACT OR FANTASY?

So far every biology textbook that I have seen calls it a theory.

THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE PROOF

Can we talk now?

Should for example facts going against evolution be taught in our High Schools?

All say yes please.

Because they are in all our Medical Schools & Textbooks. We have umpteen " Theories " of disease causation.
We get all the facts for and all against.The decision as to how much of a theory to believe ( or not ) is left up to each Doctor.

Why are our High Schools treated with a different standard
and are just given a one sided story on evolution?

Answer: Because evolution is a religion.

Here it is :

Church of Darwin:

interactive.wsj.com

August 16, 1999


The Church of Darwin

By Phillip E. Johnson, professor of law at the University
of California, Berkeley, and the author of "Darwin on Trial"
(Intervarsity Press, 1993)._

A Chinese paleontologist lectures around the world saying that recent
fossil finds in his country are inconsistent with the Darwinian theory of
evolution. His reason: The major animal groups appear abruptly in the rocks
over a relatively short time, rather than evolving gradually from a common
ancestor as Darwin's theory predicts. When this conclusion upsets
American scientists, he wryly comments: "In China we can criticize Darwin
but not the government. In America you can criticize the government but not
Darwin."

That point was illustrated last week by the media firestorm that followed the
Kansas Board of Education's vote to omit macro-evolution from the list of
science topics which all students are expected to master. Frantic scientists
and educators warned that Kansas students would no longer be able to
succeed in college or graduate school, and that the future of science itself
was in danger. The New York Times called for a vigorous counteroffensive,
and the lawyers prepared their lawsuits. Obviously, the cognitive elites are
worried about something a lot more important to themselves than the career
prospects of Kansas high school graduates.

Two Definitions

The root of the problem is that "science" has two distinct definitions in our
culture. On the one hand, science refers to a method of investigation
involving things like careful measurements, repeatable experiments, and
especially a skeptical, open-minded attitude that insists that all claims be
carefully tested. Science also has become identified with a philosophy
known as materialism or scientific naturalism. This philosophy insists that
nature is all there is, or at least the only thing about which we can have any
knowledge. It follows that nature had to do its own creating, and that the
means of creation must not have included any role for God. Students are
not supposed to approach this philosophy with open-minded skepticism,
but to believe it on faith.

The reason the theory of evolution is so controversial is that it is the main
scientific prop for scientific naturalism. Students first learn that "evolution is a
fact," and then they gradually learn more and more about what that "fact"
means. It means that all living things are the product of mindless material
forces such as chemical laws, natural selection, and random variation. So
God is totally out of the picture, and humans (like everything else) are the
accidental product of a purposeless universe. Do you wonder why a lot of
people suspect that these claims go far beyond the available evidence?

All the most prominent Darwinists proclaim naturalistic philosophy when
they think it safe to do so. Carl Sagan had nothing but contempt for those
who deny that humans and all other species "arose by blind physical and
chemical forces over eons from slime." Richard Dawkins exults that Darwin
"made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist," and Richard
Lewontin has written that scientists must stick to philosophical materialism
regardless of the evidence, because "we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the
door." Stephen Jay Gould condescendingly offers to allow religious people
to express their subjective opinions about morals, provided they don't
interfere with the authority of scientists to determine the "facts" -- one of the
facts being that God is merely a comforting myth.

There are a lot of potential dissenters. Sagan deplored the fact that "only
nine percent of Americans accept the central finding of biology that human
beings (and all the other species) have slowly evolved from more ancient
beings with no divine intervention along the way." To keep the other 91%
quiet, organizations like the National Academy of Sciences periodically
issue statements about public school teaching which contain vague
reassurances that "religion and science are separate realms," or that
evolutionary science is consistent with unspecified "religious beliefs."

What these statements mean is that the realms are separate because science
discovers facts and religion indulges fantasy. The acceptable religious beliefs
they have in mind are of the naturalistic kind that do not include a
supernatural creator who might interfere with evolution or try to direct it. A
great many of the people who do believe in such a creator have figured this
out, and in consequence the reassurances merely insult their intelligence.

So one reason the science educators panic at the first sign of public
rebellion is that they fear exposure of the implicit religious content in what
they are teaching. An even more compelling reason for keeping the lid on
public discussion is that the official neo-Darwinian theory is having serious
trouble with the evidence. This is covered over with the vague claim that all
scientists agree that "evolution has occurred." Since the Darwinists
sometimes define evolution merely as "change," and lump minor variation
with the whole creation story as "evolution," a few trivial examples like
dog-breeding or fruit fly variation allow them to claim proof for the whole
system. The really important claim of the theory -- that the Darwinian
mechanism does away with the need to presuppose a creator -- is
protected by a semantic defense-in-depth.

Here's just one example of how real science is replaced by flim-flam. The
standard textbook example of natural selection involves a species of finches
in the Galapagos, whose beaks have been measured over many years. In
1997 a drought killed most of the finches, and the survivors had beaks
slightly larger than before. The probable explanation was that larger-beaked
birds had an advantage in eating the last tough seeds that remained. A few
years later there was a flood, and after that the beak size went back to
normal. Nothing new had appeared, and there was no directional change of
any kind. Nonetheless, that is the most impressive example of natural
selection at work that the Darwinists have been able to find after nearly a
century and a half of searching.

To make the story look better, the National Academy of Sciences removed
some facts in its 1998 booklet on "Teaching About Evolution and the
Nature of Science." This version omits the flood year return-to-normal and
encourages teachers to speculate that a "new species of finch" might arise in
200 years if the initial trend towards increased beak size continued
indefinitely. When our leading scientists have to resort to the sort of
distortion that would land a stock promoter in jail, you know they are in
trouble.

If the Academy meant to teach scientific investigation, rather than to
inculcate a belief system, it would encourage students to think about why, if
natural selection has been continuously active in creating, the observed
examples involve very limited back-and-forth variation that doesn't seem to
be going anywhere. But skepticism of that kind might spread and threaten
the whole system of naturalistic belief. Why is the fossil record overall so
difficult to reconcile with the steady process of gradual transformation
predicted by the neo-Darwinian theory? How would the theory fare if we
did not assume at the start that nature had to do its own creating, so a
naturalistic creation mechanism simply has to exist regardless of the
evidence? These are the kinds of questions the Darwinists don't want to
encourage students to ask.

Kansas Protest

This doesn't mean that students in Kansas or elsewhere shouldn't be taught
about evolution. In context, the Kansas action was a protest against
enshrining a particular worldview as a scientific fact and against making
"evolution" an exception to the usual American tradition that the people have
a right to disagree with the experts. Take evolution away from the
worldview promoters and return it to the real scientific investigators, and a
chronic social conflict will become an exciting intellectual adventure.

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TA

TA



To: Tunica Albuginea who wrote (470)9/15/1999 1:09:00 PM
From: Null Dog Ago  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
Tunica, TP is one of those people who just likes to sound scientific, as if he knows what he's talking about, then just reverts to rhetoric, semantics, and just-so science.